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  • The serious CPA thread (no spamming please)

    Thanks a bunch for getting a seriously intended thread closed, you guys. You know who you are

    Ming, please donīt close this one. Itīs seriously intended (at least as serious as you can get in OT).

    To return to business. Hereīs my response to Dalgettis constructive criticism of my proposal.

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    We need to free ourselves from the fossil fuel. I say continue building new nuke powerplants , and push on with the fusion power research instead.

    No, nuclear power is a threat to mankind. What we need to do is to lower our entire energy consumtion.

    Why not ? If there is any place where a minimal amount of wildlife is damaged while resources are gathered, it is antarctica.

    Iīm against this perpetual exploitation of nature, we will not benefit (in the long run) by strip-mining Antarctica.

    What exactly are you referring to?

    GE crops that barrens the soil.


    toxic waste that is.

    ALL waste. Organic waste spreads infectious diseases. Marine life is also threatened by irresponible dumping of rubbish. Fish get caught up in old fishing nets for instance.


    not familiar with the subject.

    Itīs referring to two great dam projects (NOT nuclear, my mistake... ) that will seriously affect the lifes of the people that live there.

    I agree . We should use antarctica instead.

    NO! we shall not use Antarctica as a dumping ground for our waste. If your country produces toxic waste you will also deal with it!

    We support:

    Actually , a much more correct decision , IMO,would be to produce most of the food in europe , and ship it to places where it's much more difficult to grow them.

    No, this will increase the amount of transportation needed, and therefore also an increase in the emissions of greenhouse gases. Thus negating the benefit of centralized food production. This is after all not Civ you know...

    Lots of food is being destroyed to keep prices up, non?

    Yes, but this will be rectified when we get a more just distribution of wealth.

    most of them already are. It depends actually.

    Well, yeah. Sort of, I guess...


    it will never support the world. you know it , I know it .

    Not if we continue to waste energy like we do now. If we aim for more effiecient energy systems for the industry and domestic areas it will work IMO.

    sure, no pesticides . GM crops instead. And the transferring of genes from one species to another is VERY rare.
    better ask PH , though, he's a pro.


    Genetic engineering represents an intervention with unprecedented depth and power. Radical artificial alterations of the code of life, the genetic makeup, can be created. Such changes may have very complex consequences, difficult to foresee. Complications that cannot be imagined presently may occur.

    Once released into nature the genetically engineered organisms and their altered genes may spread widely and uncontrollably century after century, yes indefinitely. Scientists have warned for a number of potential hazards, some of which may be serious.

    Genetic engineering may cause changes in the biochemical processes of organisms in ways that are impossible to predict with present knowledge. Poisons, mutagens (substances causing genetic changes that may be harmful) and carcinogens (substances that stimulate the appearance of cancer) might be created in harmful concentrations.

    Check this site for more info.

    I am not sure . So do you mean we don't need sewers ?

    No, what I mean is that the sewer system we have today is inadequate. Therefore we must produce less waste. Less pollution = happier planet
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  • #2
    You do realize that asking people to spam a thread in a title is an open invitation for them to spam a thread. Have we learned nothing from Ming's mistakes?

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    • #3
      this is all not adressing the core issue and has notning to do with communism

      Jon Miller
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jon Miller
        this is all not adressing the core issue and has notning to do with communism

        Jon Miller
        Excactly! Thank you JM
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        • #5
          we need to focus on communism, not some of the other (sometimes good) ideas that people have

          also issues that need action that those ideas address would often times be better addressed by communism

          Jon Miller
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          • #6
            Maybe we should make this a general commie discussion thread? Instead of trying to establish statutes for a fictive party, is that what you mean? I can support that.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kamrat X
              Maybe we should make this a general commie discussion thread? Instead of trying to establish statutes for a fictive party, is that what you mean? I can support that.
              not exactly

              even though that does seem like a better idea

              what I mean is that a party should be focused on communism and not on all this other stuff

              it is what is important

              Jon Miller
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              • #8
                Jon,

                I agree with you that to a communist party, communism is the most important. To be a viable party in the modern times, we need to face a broad range of subjects and issues and be ready to answer questions with a coherent platform.

                So yes, communism is the most important, but we can't be ignorant about other issues
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jon Miller


                  not exactly

                  even though that does seem like a better idea

                  what I mean is that a party should be focused on communism and not on all this other stuff

                  it is what is important

                  Jon Miller
                  You mean the enviromental and gay/lesbian things?

                  In my interpretation of communism they are key issues, if we are to create the new glorious communist society then itīs important that we donīt make the mistakes that have been made previously (in USSR for instance) Enviromentalism is vital to our survival and gay/lesbian rights is vital to our motto that all men are created equal despite race, creed or sexual preference.
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                  • #10
                    see

                    I think most issues (if not all)

                    are socioecoinomic in nature

                    and all that needs to be done to fix them is a proper application of communism (the actual system)

                    Jon Miller
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                    • #11
                      once you start including extra issues

                      then it takes away from the important issue (which will go far to either fix or make easier to fix the other issues)

                      Jon Miller
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                      • #12
                        OK, but when we assume that all the solutions is in the writings of Marx and Lenin and that everything will be solved after the revolution, we set ourselves up for a big dissapointment. Because they arenīt. As UR said we need to face a broad range of subjects, and itīs better we do that before the revolution then after IMO.
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                        • #13
                          I actually disagree with Marx and Lenin (at least when I read them)

                          by and large most problems faced are socioeconimc in nature and will be fixed with communism

                          those that are not will be easier to fix in a communist society

                          therefore, since there is only so much fire that people have

                          the most effort should go to making communism real, and less to the other stuff (Since it will take care of itself mostly or be easier to solve afterwards or is much less a problem than those that communism solves)

                          Jon Miller
                          Jon Miller-
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                          • #14
                            I disagree. If we donīt make ourselves aware of the problems now we will carry them inte the new society. Opression of women, gays/lesbians and wanton destruction of the enviroment isnīt limited to capitalism. Before we change the society, we must change ourselves.
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                            • #15
                              going communist is changing ourselves in the most deepest way

                              and the way that fixes the most ills

                              by spending a little effort here and there and the like

                              nothing get's done

                              or something get's done but it is to strong a solution to the problem and is a problem in and of itself (like affirmative action is currently)

                              Jon Miller
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