Soviet Union's Possible Success

[chequita guevara]

It doesn't read the same, and it was a long, long time ago. I think I remember less than ten Russian words and only a couple of phrases, like:

Ya gavaru pa ruski

Ya ni znaiu

Moi ruski ploxha.

And that's about it.

[Saras]

That gives you a C-

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
Rus Kijowska? I co z tego?
O to wlasnie mi chodzilo; to jest rownie idiotyczne jak twierdzenie
ze Litwini sa czescia naszego narodu; p0rzeciez mysmy zyli w jednym kraju tez; i z Ukraiñcami, i z Bia³orusinami zreszta.
A jesli chodzi o rozumienie przez Ciebie jezyka bia³oruskiego, to by³ on przed wojna znacznie bardziej poslsko-podobny. Za ZSSR dokonano kilku reform jezykowych ktore zblizyly ten jezyk do rosyjskiego.

Co z tego, co z tego,
a to z togo co belorusy, ukrainci i russki tri bratskih, slavyanskih naroda s obshimi istoricheskimi kornyami. I ne kakoe eto ne "idiotyczne jak twierdzenie" a istoricheskaya pravda.
You might deny this and beleive in what you want, but it's true.
If you think that Belorussians are more tied with Poland then with Russia, then why it calls Belo-russia not Belo-poland or something.
And I don't understand the subject of this debate. Do you realy think that Ukranians and Belorussians are ethnic groops of Poland? They are different groops of slavs, different Slav's peoples.
As for languages, I don't know nothing about reform you spoked about. The Russian language was the official language of the Soviet Union and I don't see any need for Russians to reform Belorussian language to make it more close to Russian. What for Soviets needed this? I don't understand this. In every republic of SU people freely spoke on Russian language, you may ask Saras about this.
Btw, my far, far ancestors lived in Belorussia.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb Btw, my far, far ancestors lived in Belorussia.

That means you're almost Lithuanian Laba diena

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


That means you're almost Lithuanian Laba diena

Good joke.
I'm Russian 100%.

Moy pra-pra-pra- hren ego znayet skolko 'pra' dedushka po papinoi linii zhyl v Belorusii nu i vozmozhno sam byl belorusom. Koroche govoya hren ego znayet v kakie vremena moi predki po papinoi linii pereselilis v sibir.
I gde ty videl pribalta s familiey Belov?

[Saras]

Familii Belov nevidel, no videl familiju Belovas

[Heresson]

If you think that Belorussians are more tied with Poland then with Russia, then why it calls Belo-russia not Belo-poland or something.

In fact catholic Byelorussians were called Bia³opolacy

And hell I never claimed Byelorussians or Ukrainians are Poles.
I claim they are as far to Poland as to Russia.

My grandpa taught children Polish in Polesie region, Byelorussia.
Except for that, the name I bare not Heresson, nevermind what,
I read it is a name of old Lithuanian faudal family (earlier it was Mintwit oslt). My family lived somewhere completely different, though. My second name, Olgierd, is Lithuanian.
On the other hand, name of my grandpa is a name of old Ukrainian feudal family. And it may be true, as my grandpa comes of there and I was said he indeed was some aristocrate, but He was, at least in some part, Armenian too.

[Saras]

Olgierd is a bastardised Algirdas. Please keep things authentic

[Heresson]

OK I will

[Mikhail]

The only way I could foresee the SU lasting untill today is one of the following:

1. Stalin never existing.
2. Gorbachev allowed to mold Russia as he wanted to, and easing the suffering of the people.
3. Making an ally of the United States

Which, considering the tendency of the USA to do whatever is in the USA's best interest regardless, easier done than said. Generous oil agreements here, less espionage there, Being open with their scientific research (especially mir) (at least as open as the US was with the UK), not making frivolous hostile moves (Cuba), etc. I could have forged an alliance easily, had I been in power.

[chequita guevara]

Except that the US would stillwant to destroy you. You think the USSR wasn't always trying to get friends in the West? Every attempt was labled Soviet duplicity. When the Soviets stuck to their international agreements, it was seen as proof of their deviousness. The threat of the USSR was in its very existence, not in anything it said or did. It proved that capitalism had an alternative, and for that, the West had to destroy it.

[Inverse Icarus]

in a twistedly peverse interperation of Marxist / Socialistic writings, America saw the "world wide revolution" of the working class as a "world wide domination" of a tolitarian state...

[chequita guevara]

It suited the interests of the ruling class to disseminate that interpretation. It helped to discredit the revolution and preserve their power.

[David Floyd]

in a twistedly peverse interperation of Marxist / Socialistic writings, America saw the "world wide revolution" of the working class as a "world wide domination" of a tolitarian state...

Which, history has shown, it was

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It proved that capitalism had an alternative, and for that, the West had to destroy it.

If we had merely wanted to discredit the USSR before the "exploited" masses, we didn't have to do much more than shine a light on thier Stalinist tendencies.

I must say that it is suprising to see a pricipled pinko such as yourself defend the USSR given thier history of treating thier own people (genocide, etc.).