Your Superstitions

[Blackwidow24]

[Logical Realist]

Traping the Spider




You guys are idiots, do you realize what I got you to admit to with a little egging on??

JANIE:

BW's right. Keep your friends close and your enimes closer. A theroy I subscribe to! Which would be why you seem to have the convoluted idea that I was ever DM's friend.

That whole ploy about not believing you was just a way of me getting you to admit it, of me unmasking you so to speak.

So you pretended to be DM's friend just so you could somehow hurt her later on? That's pretty sick. I think any objective person who realizes what you just said knows your pretty damn sick lady.

BW, you moron, that's "proof" of nothing. I said "Screw her mom" nobody in their right mind would say that is rape. If someone goes "I'm going to go screw somebeody" is that the same as "rape"- not really. Your big "proof" rests on a giant assumption, an assumption I dispelled later by saying in another post that I "didn't mean rape since it would be invitation".

If someone says to me "screw you" I can't bust them for threatening to rape me. To screw in the dictionary is slang form meaning "to copulate with", if I say "I will have sex with so and so", that doesn't necessarily mean rape. And without such necessity you have no leg to stand on. Your whole argument is based on one giant leap.


Which is why you were so reluctant to post your "evidence" before.


Anyways though, people like you who will pretend to be a person's friend just to screw them over are the one's who have no right at all to call me vicious. Any non-biased audience with a sense of right and wrong at this point know it. Either now you have to admit you lied, both of you. In which case you are both liars. Or you have to admit that you really pretended to be someone's friend just so you could betray them later on.

I know lots of people on this site don't like me. Guess what, I don't care. I only use this site to argue occasionally and pit my ideas against possible criticism. I know you do though, and want everyone on this board to know how malicious the two of you really are.

I treat people how they deserve to be treated, Jaynie and you more than deserve to be treated in a vicious manner.

btw, Jaynie, did the lil guy have a name? How did you dispose of the "body"?

Ta. Ta. *waves*

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Logical Realist
BW:


I never said you were, I was just talking about what some studies said concerning general american's, if you read that as saying "Black Widow is stupid" then perhaps you are just expressing some insecurity about your own beliefs and/or capabilities.




Implying what? How does that effect the truth value of what you believe in any way? If I was raised in a family that had a long line of racist ideology, does that mean that such a belief is therefore automatically entitled to respect? Not really.




I have no idea of what you are talking about. If you mean that the studies do not apply to you for some reason (of course there are always exceptions to these stats) that's your belief.

If however you are saying that these studies do not apply at all (are inaccurate) or do not apply to you because "every culture has a belief system" then you are wrong. That just does not follow via standard logic.

Every culture has a belief system therefore those studies are not applicable.

How does that make sense?

You have to do more to refute these studies than say "every culture has their own beliefs": you have to actually look at them and point out holes in the research or conduct your own research. Sure every culture has their own beliefs but it does not mean all these beliefs are equal or that they are not applicable to statistical study.

If that were true then you'd be contradicting yourself by writing your post. (Who are you to say my belief that these statistics are applicable is wrong? I mean isn't that my belief?)

You'd also be saying that Nazi beliefs should be respected due to the fact that it sprang from culture. That sort of thinking is simplistic, illogical and absurd.

In other words: if you feel somehow threatened by this study and wish to say its wrong, you have to do more than bring up your mommy. You have to actually look at the data and refute it in an empirical mathematical way. If you cannot or will not the best course of action for you is to swallow your pride and not comment. Thanx.


Tia:



First of that is, even taken at face value a refutation via hasty generalization.

That's like me saying "well you say most birds can fly, I know of one born with a messed up wing that can't: therefore your generalization that birds can fly is wrong". Such an argument does not hold water since these stats involve generalizations not absolutes, in which case a few exceptions are to be expected and thus a few exceptions do not disprove the generalization.

Also you make the following errors in thought

1) That coming from a welathy family means you live comfortably.

This is wrong because your family may not support you now. In which case you will be poor. You may have suffered other bad experiences(being deformed, growing up as a black man in a racist society, medical problems) in your life which would make you downtrodden despite having a rich family. You can say you live comfortably, but that is just your opinion. I have reason to believe otherwise.

2) Going to college automatically makes you an educated person.

This is simply not true, though the rule does hold generally. People who go to college often specialize in learning in a single field, this leaves them ignorant of a great many other things in other fields. Also a person who has once went to college may forget what they have learned, not paid attention in class etc. The college also may have been a poorer one. Anyone can go to college, a future professor, a wife to be, the shoeshine boy next door, but not all will learn an equal amount.

3) I was raised in a church.

This has nothing to do with what I said and I don't know why you even brought it up. Instead of refuting the statistics, you merely place in some irrelevant information which seems to do nothing more than confuse the issue.







Well that's nice but again irrelevant. What do you mean by "I studied groups". So what?((again a shoeshine boy can do that) If you study nothing but groups that support superstitions then it's irelevant as your views are just slanted and I would say based on ignorance (since I don't count knowledge based on superstitions as real knowledge). i.e. studying the viewpoint of ignorant groups makes you no more knowledgable. Studying overly biased groups makes you no more credible. (This last point is most important as when people say "I studied many people's opinions" they are usually trying to attain some credibility via being impartial and knowledgeable.).

But in any case, BW and Janie, I do not think of you as examples of educated or in any way credible people. If anything your being superstitious makes me put more confidence in Shermer's statistic, not less. And your comments on this subject are about as trustworthy as Kaak's comments on homosexuality. It is clear to me that your have no idea of what a generalization is, let alone, how to properly refute one. I suggest you at least look at the studies I mentioned, which come from a very reliable and respected source, before making some rash, and off-the wall comments of your own.

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[Logical Realist]

Yes I actually put some thought into what I say.

[MrFun]

Re: Traping the Spider

Originally posted by Logical Realist



You guys are idiots, do you realize what I got you to admit to with a little egging on??

JANIE:

That whole ploy about not believing you was just a way of me getting you to admit it, of me unmasking you so to speak.

So you pretended to be DM's friend just so you could somehow hurt her later on? That's pretty sick. I think any objective person who realizes what you just said knows your pretty damn sick lady.

BW, you moron, that's "proof" of nothing. I said "Screw her mom" nobody in their right mind would say that is rape. If someone goes "I'm going to go screw somebeody" is that the same as "rape"- not really. Your big "proof" rests on a giant assumption, an assumption I dispelled later by saying in another post that I "didn't mean rape since it would be invitation".

If someone says to me "screw you" I can't bust them for threatening to rape me. To screw in the dictionary is slang form meaning "to copulate with", if I say "I will have sex with so and so", that doesn't necessarily mean rape. And without such necessity you have no leg to stand on. Your whole argument is based on one giant leap.


Which is why you were so reluctant to post your "evidence" before.


Anyways though, people like you who will pretend to be a person's friend just to screw them over are the one's who have no right at all to call me vicious. Any non-biased audience with a sense of right and wrong at this point know it. Either now you have to admit you lied, both of you. In which case you are both liars. Or you have to admit that you really pretended to be someone's friend just so you could betray them later on.

I know lots of people on this site don't like me. Guess what, I don't care. I only use this site to argue occasionally and pit my ideas against possible criticism. I know you do though, and want everyone on this board to know how malicious the two of you really are.

I treat people how they deserve to be treated, Jaynie and you more than deserve to be treated in a vicious manner.

btw, Jaynie, did the lil guy have a name? How did you dispose of the "body"?

Ta. Ta. *waves*

Can you please stop your boring melo-drama.

Geez -- I've seen drag queens perform better melo-drama than you.

[David Floyd]

btw, Jaynie, did the lil guy have a name? How did you dispose of the "body"?

Sorry, but I gotta say that's not only WAY over the line but ****ING sick.

[Logical Realist]

Sorry, but I gotta say that's not only WAY over the line but ****ING sick.

Yes, but what Tia and Widow dois perfectly acceptable. Even if they do it irl.

[David Floyd]

I think there's a bit of a difference, but I'm not getting into it

[Tuberski]

9 pages and all you guys could come up with is:

knock on wood
Wash the car and it rains
Lift feet when driving over track
Don't set purse down on floor


hmmmmm......

My biggest superstition is that if I have a choice between two things, like, for instance: posting on this thread or not posting on this thread. Whichever one I decide to do is going to be the wrong one.

[Vandal-1]

We have really digressed from the subject
allow me to ask 1)What is the criteria that makes a belief a superstition? I offer that a "superstition"( in the 1st case) is a absurd exlplanation of anticipated change as some superstition is just non-sequential reasoning.For example a black cat crossed my path then I lost my wallet.Even though its absurd to reason that the cat caused me to lose my wallet .I do it,
(in the secound case)
Ignorance of true relationships that breed over generalizatioins
for example:The sky was red that morning before a tornadoe struck the town,or a storm struck that ship. I and others now associate red skies in morning to mean a storm is coming therefore take warning.
(in the 3rd case)
seeks to alter the unacceptable truth into a acceptable truth through ritual or other invalid actions(The superstitions of magic)
to bring about change Chain Letters, Sacrifice, Divination ect
Why does the Psychic hot line make money?

2)Are "superstitions" a syptom of the intelligent yet frustrated need for explanation or escape from "reality" or a effort to influence unacceptable reality. I reason that if intelligence did not need to explain the change in reality and try to influence it then niether superstition nor science would exist and further more ;what we now consider science may in some cases be tommorrows "superstition".Take the rationale behind nuclear containment for example and exploitation of mass kill weapons as possibilities.Because we have bombs and make bombs no bombs will fall. Inso far as proving that superstition evolved into science take European medicine who thought the Native Americans were "superstitious "for believing that weeds would cure afflictions that really needed a good bleeding and some Unicorn Horn. Science is incomplete accept that .

[Ming]

Logical Realist... you are restricted for a week. You were warned not to bring this crap up again tonight, and you just didn't listen.

The next person that posts any more crap on this subject can join him.

ENOUGH. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

[Ming]

And Blackwidow... you can chill for 24 hours for continuing this discussion.

And this thread is toast thanks to your little cat fight.

The next time, it will be far more than 24 hours for you.
This is your LAST WARNING!