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**Saint Marcus** · March 31, 2002, 17:51

btw, isn't it true that arafat was democratically elected? I'm sure the people can do a better job of electing people then the israeli governement.

**DinoDoc** · March 31, 2002, 17:56

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
btw, isn't it true that arafat was democratically elected?

Only in the sense that Saddam Hussein was democratically elected.

Aside from the possible exceptions of Turkey or Egypt, I don't think that you can find an Arab country that has a democratic leader.

**Giancarlo** · March 31, 2002, 18:05

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
btw, isn't it true that arafat was democratically elected? I'm sure the people can do a better job of electing people then the israeli governement.

Not to my knowledge. And that second sentence was a pathetic troll....

**Chris 62** · March 31, 2002, 18:19

Originally posted by Tom201

Year, we have some cruel pictures, lets pass them around and than lets nuke those bastards. Hu?

The pictures are for a friend of mine, as I stated, I notice you had no problem with the pictures of Pals being rounded up, yet you get upset when you see the truth about what Arafat and his friends are up to.

We maybe hit the wrong ppl.? Our actions are not justified? How dare u criticise what your government is doing, hrm, take a look at the picture again....

Maybe you should, all you have said since blowing into Apolyton is how the Israelis and the US should get their soldiers killed.

zip your moths and obey our orders... fight the axis of evil yeehaa

It's amazing how some people can just turn a blind eye to vicious murder committed by the pals.

Maybe it's time you asked yourself how they reached such a sorry state.
The answer is simple.
They have been trying to exterminate the jews since 47, and losing at it as well.
Now they have convinced the always naieve EU (that means people like you) that they are poor victims, yet Israel offered all kinds of deals, Arafat turns them down, because he sees that people like you will continue to turn a blind eye to their murder.

Hey, they are only Jews, right?
Too bad uncle Adolph didn't finish the job, hopefully his spritual decendents will do the job, eh?

**Imran Siddiqui** · March 31, 2002, 18:22

Chris, no need to be as *******, simply because someone else is.

And btw, Israel's deals ain't good enough, and haven't been close to good enough. Will Israel accept the Arab League's deal? Why not? Is it... not good enough? *gasp*

Az · March 31, 2002, 18:24

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[Fine... then we'll shoot Sharon and the rest of his hardline Likud friends. Two can play at that game

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like you shot Muhammad Dura?

**DinoDoc** · March 31, 2002, 18:24

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Will Israel accept the Arab League's deal? Why not? Is it... not good enough? *gasp*

No, it's not. Saudia Arabia backed off thier original proposal when they presented it to the Arab League.

**Chris 62** · March 31, 2002, 18:30

If the kiddies want to play here, they gotta learn the rules, same as all of us.

Rule #1 is someone always remembers something dumb you posted.

If I was Israel, I would drag that pr1ck outta his bunker and...well, you know the rest.

Also, I wouldn't give the Golan Hiegts to Syria, they proved long ago they can't be trusted, and the west bank was Jordian teritory, they ceded it in 67, the Pals have no leagal claim to it.

It's time for the world to stop this anti-Israel campaign and look at exactly who is doing what.

I read an editorial today that was along the lines of the Islamic states continue as they have, they will end up facing the strongest coalition in his history, USA, China and Russia, oh, and a few Euros with backbone (very few of these).

**Tom201** · March 31, 2002, 18:34

Originally posted by Giancarlo
So using your faulty judgement we can allow them to kill more teenagers who try to go to a cafe... or innocent people who try to get food at a supermarket... or people who are trying to walk on the street and live? Your attitude in imho is bs.

?? I never sayed this. Why do u assume it? I dont pick sites. Oposing Israel or the US doesnt means to side with the Pals. My pos. is relativ neutral.
That means I criticise anyone whenever in my opinion something isnt right. I dont support good/evil drawings.

What exactly do you not like on my attitude?

Originally posted by Giancarlo
And what argument are you presenting? That these people aren't dead and the pictures are really computer generated? Give me a damn break. The Hamas, and every other terrorist group including Arafat himself will spend every last day killing Israelis.

Read the Collataral Damage Thread for some of my arguments.
Your response is pure asumptions which arent true at all.

**Tom201** · March 31, 2002, 18:48

Originally posted by Chris 62
The pictures are for a friend of mine, as I stated, I notice you had no problem with the pictures of Pals being rounded up, yet you get upset when you see the truth about what Arafat and his friends are up to.

No, the problem I have is about this sentence:
"Chris62 you are excellent. You just gave the opposition to what the Israelis are doing a reason to zip there mouths."
As I understand it, this means I should remain silent (not criticise Israel), cose you have some cruel picture to show. imo this is bs.

Originally posted by Chris 62
Maybe you should, all you have said since blowing into Apolyton is how the Israelis and the US should get their soldiers killed.

I posted some in Civ3 forum, but since there is no mp yet I got bored with the game. So I hang some around in ot.

It's amazing how some people can just turn a blind eye to vicious murder committed by the pals.

What makes u think I do? There is no need for pal bashing from me on this forum, its already done enough by others. While Israels actions dont get enough critic. As I stated already I have a relativ neutral pov. When some radical pal would post on this forum I would criticise him as well.

**Saint Marcus** · March 31, 2002, 19:04

Only in the sense that Saddam Hussein was democratically elected.

Dutch TV reports that Arafat was elected democratically some time ago, and the elections were considered fairly fair by european observers. Of course, that was the only election held, and Arafat has been leader ever since. I'll look up a (non-dutch) link.

I believe it was in 1996 (top of my head). could be wrong about this though.

Az · March 31, 2002, 19:14

IIRC it was either 93' or 94' ...

**Saint Marcus** · March 31, 2002, 19:23

IIRC it was either 93' or 94' ...

could also be. point is, at the time those elections were considered fair.

**Giancarlo** · March 31, 2002, 19:37

Don't get me wrong... but didn't Arafat head the PLO since the 70s or something?

?? I never sayed this. Why do u assume it? I dont pick sites. Oposing Israel or the US doesnt means to side with the Pals. My pos. is relativ neutral.
That means I criticise anyone whenever in my opinion something isnt right. I dont support good/evil drawings.

What exactly do you not like on my attitude?

Then act neutral.

Read the Collataral Damage Thread for some of my arguments.
Your response is pure asumptions which arent true at all.

And your response aren't assumptions either? Collataral Damage thread? I would rather read the Pravda!

**BlackStone** · March 31, 2002, 19:51

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Chris62 you are excellent. You just gave the opposition to what the Israelis are doing a reason to zip there mouths.

To all of those who oppose what Israel is doing:
Take a look at the people who are dead. And also take notice that 14 people were killed just recently. Understand what Israel is doing is the same thing what the Spanish Government is doing towards the ETA... uprooting and incinerating it.

Well you are easily please arn`t you.

Tell me what is the nature of your bias. I can understand the Isreali, and Jewish poster it is natural to protect your own, and to see all of these events from a very different perspective. I also understand the US poster, they are afterall supporting their allies, and the American public are stauch allies by anyones standards. I also understand (I am being very, very understanding tonight), the disgust at the terror acts, no human being in their right mind can hope to justify them, or would even seek to.

But i do not understand how someone seemingly so far removed can not see some of the real issues in regard to Israels behaviour and actions in the region.

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