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I guess it just proves that moral high ground is a hard thing to take in certain situations.
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Exactly, it will in most cases become a human. Certainly at birth the child is human, but a single-celled embryo can hardly be called a human.
If it is a cell formed from the meeting of sperm and a human egg..chances are it will become a human...
No, the argument is that an embryo cannot exist independently of the mother, therefore it cannot be argued that it is "alive" or at the very least it cannot be argued that it is "human." A fetus is, as I have pointed out, a grey area. An embryo is not.
Test tube..."alive" meaning? define the ability to speak? When a sperm interacts with an egg chances are it will be "human" therefore it is...it is alive and forming...into a human...
Do we protect that right or dismiss it because it can not protest it's death yet? In other words a human is? Formed or not...“The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
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Yes, chances are it will become a human, implying that it is not yet a human.Originally posted by blackice
If it is a cell formed from the meeting of sperm and a human egg..chances are it will become a human...
If an organism cannot exist independently of another organism (i.e. a virus), then we define it as "not alive." So too with an embryo.Test tube..."alive" meaning? define the ability to speak? When a sperm interacts with an egg chances are it will be "human" therefore it is...it is alive and forming...into a human...<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures
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Yes, chances are it will become a human, implying that it is not yet a human.
Why assume it is not it will be if it does not naturally abort "fact"
If an organism cannot exist independently of another organism (i.e. a virus), then we define it as "not alive." So too with an embryo.
Orgasim?
look a sperm mets an egg it starts to form into a human "fact"
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An embryo or a fetus is a human even before it is born because no matter what, an embryo or a fetus will always contain human DNA and that makes it human.HAVE A DAY.
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Sperm will become a human if they are not put in the wrong container "fact"Originally posted by blackice
Why assume it is not it will be if it does not naturally abort "fact"
An egg will become a human if not sloughed off in the menstrual cycle "fact"
Start to form a human, but do not actually form a human for at least three months, probably six months, and possibly as long as nine months in the future. An embryo does not even begin to resemble a human.Orgasim? look a sperm mets an egg it starts to form into a human "fact"
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Human blood cells also contain human DNA. A severed human finger contains human DNA. Your definition of "human" is far too general.Originally posted by Cloud9
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And both of those are human as well because they make up (are a part of) your human body.Originally posted by loinburger
Human blood cells also contain human DNA. A severed human finger contains human DNA. Your definition of "human" is far too general.HAVE A DAY.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Start to form a human, but do not actually form a human for at least three months, probably six months, and possibly as long as nine months in the future.
Again symantics "IT WILL BE A HUMAN" baring natural abortion, why argue "facts"...the moment it starts forming life it becomes "fact" of life....welcome to life in the food chain... natrual section or emotions "life is life" as we know it to be real...to break it down to moments is to deny "fact"“The Communist Manifesto was correct…but…we see the privileges of the capitalist bourgeoisie yielding…to democratic organizations…In my judgment…success lies in a steady [peaceful] advance…[rather]…than in…a catastrophic crash."Eduard Bernstein
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So bleeding (killing blood cells) is equivalent to mass murder?Originally posted by Cloud9
And both of those are human as well because they make up (are a part of) your human body.
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Anyone knows that if they cut themselves that is a bad thing. But if it was an accident well then it was an accident and accidents happen.Originally posted by loinburger
So bleeding (killing blood cells) is equivalent to mass murder?
HAVE A DAY.
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So bleeding (killing blood cells) is equivalent to mass murder?
Ok we go silly
No niether is masterbation or menstral cycles...
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I'm not arguing the fact that a zygote will eventually become a human unless aborted. I'm arguing that a zygote is not a human.Originally posted by blackice
Again symantics "IT WILL BE A HUMAN" baring natural abortion, why argue "facts"
Sure, sperm are alive too, so is an egg cell, so is a zygote or an embryo. Doesn't mean that masturbation, nocturnal emission, or menstruation are murder any more than aborting a zygote or embryo are murder.the moment it starts forming life it becomes "fact" of life
So are sperm/egg cells human? If not, then you cannot deny that "human life" is discontinuous. If you do argue that sperm/egg cells are human, then see my post to Cloud9 about how this means that bleeding amounts to mass murder.to break it down to moments is to deny "fact"<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures </p>Comment
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So bleeding (killing blood cells) is equivalent to mass murder?
Ok we go silly
No niether is masterbation or menstral cycles... why obviously because nither and or your decription started to form life....again welcome to life in the food chain.......
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Doctors draw blood for blood tests all the time. Giving blood (i.e. to the Red Cross) results in wasted blood. According to your logic, these are acts of murder. Any kind of surgery would also be an act of murder.Originally posted by Cloud9
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