Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Do you favor abortion?

Do you favor the death penalty?

If you answered no to both of the questions above you are Pro-Life. If you answered yes to both of the questions, you are Pro-Choice. If you answered yes to one and no to the other you are somewhere in between.

I answered no to both. Reasons being. . .

REASONS I AM AGAINST ABORTION
1. Abortion simply put, is murder.
2. Just because a fetus is not completely formed yet doesn't mean it is not human, and therefore it is murder to abort the baby.
3. Just because a fetus is still in it's mother's womb doesn't mean it cannot be put in pain. It is still a living thing.
4. Only God has the right to take a life. Not a mother.
5. Abortion is against my religious beliefs.

REASONS I AM AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY
1. Violence cannot be solved with more violence.
2. Killing the guilty never brings closure to the victims. You can't take back what's already been done.
3. No one wants to spend the rest of their life in prison, and that is by far a worser punishment than death. Death is the easy way out.
4. To say that a dangerous criminal in prison is an escape risk and a danger to society is unreasonable. Escapes are rare.
5. Too many pyschotic and mentally retarded people are executed each year, and should never have been executed anyway.
6. It's a shame when a person is wrongfully convicted and dies for crimes he/she did not commit.

Now it's your turn to voice your opinion. Remember to be honest with yourself.

[David Floyd]

You're comparing apples and oranges with abortion and the DP - now stop trolling

[Giancarlo]

I am against Abortion since I think it is wrong. I am also for the death penalty. Infact both don't have anything to do with each other.

[Buck Birdseed]

I too am sceptical of connecting the two in any way. The Death Penalty is an exceedingly simple issue, where moral and legal oughts are inescapably connected and which is almost apolitical in that it's all about your ethical choices and not about power relations. My personal system of ethics considers it wrong.

Abortion, on the other hand, is nowhere near as simple. Consider the fact that the pro-life/pro-choice divide coincides in America almost exactly with the left/right one and the only sensible conclusion to draw is that the issue is really not about "choice" and "life" at all. Though they're both well justified arguments within their respective discourses, they don't really reflect what politics is all about, ie. power relations. From a power-relative perspective quite obviously the right (as it always does) is trying to decrease the power of a weaker group (here women).

[Tiamat]

I think David is right it's a TROLL!!

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am against Abortion since I think it is wrong. I am also for the death penalty. Infact both don't have anything to do with each other.

I disagree entirely with Gianny, except for the last sentence.

[Jac de Molay]

pro-choice because....

It is ultimately an issue of public health and women's health. To deny choice is to deny a woman not only control of her body, but control of her MIND in making important decisions about her health, sexual or otherwise. Also, if abortions were made illegal, the US would probably be facing a public health nightmare that would rival the polio epidemic, especially with prevailing attitudes about sexual health.

Dave

[CapitanGarlic]

For abortion, I generally think pro-choice, although I don't think men should have any say in the matter, so I try to ignore that issue.

For the death penalty, I think it depends on the situation. Sometimes it's appropriate, but sometimes not.

Hmm... the poll looks fairly evenly divided...(3,3,3,0)

[Dis]

I'm for abortion. But with restrictions. first timester only except maybe in the case of rape and/or sexual abuse.

'nuff said. I don't like engaging in these debates. many people are very fanatical about this issue.

and the death penalty is another thread entirely. many already know where I stand on this issue.

[DanS]

"Consider the fact that the pro-life/pro-choice divide coincides in America almost exactly with the left/right one"

This is not the case.

[Imran Siddiqui]

From a power-relative perspective quite obviously the right (as it always does) is trying to decrease the power of a weaker group (here women).

And what about the womyn who are part of the right, oh simplfying one?

[Dis]

women aren't the weaker group BTW. They influence most new laws that are made.

[RGBVideo]

Re: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Originally posted by Cloud9
(..)REASONS I AM AGAINST ABORTION
1. Abortion simply put, is murder.
2. Just because a fetus is not completely formed yet doesn't mean it is not human, and therefore it is murder to abort the baby.
3. Just because a fetus is still in it's mother's womb doesn't mean it cannot be put in pain. It is still a living thing.
4. Only God has the right to take a life. Not a mother.
5. Abortion is against my religious beliefs.(..)

1 - If abortion is a murder, what about masturbation? Every time man masturbates,
he kills something like 1 500 000 poor souls. Human is not rated to human by his age,
but by his deeds and works.

2 - Check above.

3 - It'll be killed painlessly. On the other hand, those poor sperm
(term is used, altough it's not specific, because I cannot remember the correct english term).
will usually be left alive, to die painly. Think about the poor sperm!

4 - Hypocricy? USA? Hypocricy? USA? Hypocricy?

5 - Religious? You mean that way over 2000 year old-book which is full of way-
old ideologies, and have been manipulated dear-god-how-many-times?

In parts 1, 2 and 3 I was completely serious. After you laugh your mass off,
please show me the parts I'm wrong on those, and please, say why I'm on the
wrong track.

Parts 4 and 5 were partly flame and should be ignored.

[RGBVideo]

Re: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Originally posted by Cloud9
(..)1. Violence cannot be solved with more violence.
2. Killing the guilty never brings closure to the victims. You can't take back what's already been done.
3. No one wants to spend the rest of their life in prison, and that is by far a worser punishment than death. Death is the easy way out.
4. To say that a dangerous criminal in prison is an escape risk and a danger to society is unreasonable. Escapes are rare.
5. Too many pyschotic and mentally retarded people are executed each year, and should never have been executed anyway.
6. It's a shame when a person is wrongfully convicted and dies for crimes he/she did not commit.(..)

1 - "Yes it can!" -Ariel Sharon (he has never said so, but you get the idea)
2 - Umm, yeah.
3 - For some, yep.
4 - Sometimes, people consider also killing people because watching prisoners
will cost money. Of course, prisoners will always stay in prison if prison-system
will consentrate to punish the criminal, instead of helping him to avoid crimes.
5 - If I could decide, Mentally unclear people should be executed. :doitnow:
But it would risk many lives, because mental-illness is often possible to cure.
6 - Yeah right

[DinoDoc]

Re: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

Originally posted by Cloud9
Do you favor abortion?

No.

Do you favor the death penalty?

Yes.

Which do you want to debate? I'm good to go on either topic.