American democracy

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


You are a conspiracy nut, aren't you?

Nah.

I'm just saying that the propositions advocated by religious fundamentalists and extreme conservatives -- if they would ever succeed -- would essentially begin the process of creating a theocratic government in the United States.

Not likely to happen though, fortunately.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by -=Vagrant=-
US needs to get rid of it's two party system, and replace it with a real democracy, like an (atleast) eight party system.
Nothing gets done or is agreed, and therefore no harm is done. Unless something really important comes up. Like a sex scandal.
All the corruption money would have to be distributed to several parties, and I guess that would make the industries participation in politics little. No more steel indu. tariffs! No more missile tests!

[all of this is a load of Bullspit]

no

all parties are bad and corrupting

Jon Miller

[markusf]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
Oh wait, but the USA isn't a democracy...

Its nothing but a glorified monarchy

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
USA isn't a democraty ? Maybe ... Then France isn't a republic too ...

Dictature says you "Shut up or you kaput !!"
A democracy says you "You could speak freely, but I will not listen you ..."

Actually, a democracy entitles you to think and speak freely, while at the same time giving me the freedom to not have to listen.
It's not like you get your freedom, and all others forfeit their freedoms.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It's not like you get your freedom, and all others forfeit their freedoms.

Yeah, that's capitalism.

[axi]

In Athens, protests and marches are the curse of the drivers.
They block the roads (which are already too congested to begin with) and everyone is stuck in traffic for hours).

Now the police diverts the traffic but it can't help the situatuion a lot.

You can see a lot of exasparated drivers when there are marches and there a lot of them. It's like a tradition

And the fookibng thing of all of this is that even a small group of people (say 100) WILL block the road too.
It's like a Greek tradition...
Very problematic.

The communist party is very small but very, VERY active it blockes the roads all the time. And plenty of other people of the so called "out of the parliement" left wing. They block the roads for anything to protest against whatever you can imagine.

I say yes to protest but, folks, let's try to keep the roads open huh? some people are trying to get to their fooking jobs allright?

Been there, done that.

I have been in many demos blocking the streets for hours. Let me tell you that the police is keeping the streets blocked in a much larger area and for a much longer time than necessary.

I have participated in a 100 man march in Stadiou. We have had traffic in fromt of us and traffic behind us. Traffic wouldn't have gone anywhere that time of the day.

There is always a very good reason behind any demonstration, but the everyday driver is a so selfish person, that he only cares about having a free road ahead of him. 1000 people on foot, struggling united to promote their cause, have a much higher moral right to be there than the 1000 drivers, each going his own way for his own purposes, who are blocked. Having a car does not make you lord of the streets; a pedestrian has always priority before you.

You should be glad that you still have the right to protest on the streets. This right is threatened by various pieces of legislation. This right is suppressed during every major summit and will be suppressed during the Olympics.

[Sava]

It's a democracy in the sense that we are free.

But we do not get to elect a leader. We are given a choice between two rich white men who both follow their party's agenda.

There is a difference between a dictatorship and our system of government. In a dictatorship, there is one ruler.

In this democracy, we have three branches of two kinds of dictators: republican and democrat.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by axi
There is always a very good reason behind any demonstration, but the everyday driver is a so selfish person, that he only cares about having a free road ahead of him.

Bullsh!t.
There is not always a good reason and I will be the one who will judge if such a reason exists, not the demonstrators. (I and others - the Citizens - not a group of 100 people).

1000 drivers going to work are what keeps this country going as well. Actually that's what keeps this country going.

These are remains of the dictatorship. That's why there is tolerance for people of no significant "weight" blocking the streets.
Demonstrate, I have too, but learn to respect the other.
And if you don't, the police will make sure you do.
I hope you will not cry "police state" now

Besides blocking the streets does not "further your cause". It just pisses people of.

You should be glad that you still have the right to protest on the streets. This right is threatened by various pieces of legislation. This right is suppressed during every major summit and will be suppressed during the Olympics.

It is called reality.

[axi]

Tell me that next year, after the summit in Thessaloniki.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
In Athens, protests and marches are the curse of the drivers.
They block the roads (which are already too congested to begin with) and everyone is stuck in traffic for hours).

They should be glad they don't do that in America. Road Rage would probably force a citizen to start shooting them.

[axi]

Americans and their guns...

Then I suppose the demonstrators would carry weapons and open fire in self defense... but that would be ugly wouldn't it?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by axi
Then I suppose the demonstrators would carry weapons and open fire in self defense... but that would be ugly wouldn't it?

No, they wouldn't. It would be specifically stated in thier permit that if they insisted on snarling the trafic along major roads that they would have to suffer the consequences of that unarmed.

[Bereta_Eder]

Axi I'm not saying let's become like the yankees when they demonstrate and noone udnerstands anything.
Like in the white house 10 people with nice neat little signs going up and down the pavement

(although sometimes I like it better let me tell you )

France has also a large tradition of demonstrations, 100 people are not allowed to create chaos. Or do you think that France has no tradition of marches?

Why do we always have to be the crazy ones on this continent?!!!

There are so many plazas that SO MANY PEOPLE GO THROUGH EVERY DAY. Demonstrate there. Manye people will see you.
Klathmonos, Syntagma, Kanigos, even Omonoia. Thousands upon thousands of people pass everyday.

It will be better FOR YOU and don't worry you'll still have the media covering your demos.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Axi I'm not saying let's become like the yankees

Perhaps you should. We actually have police redirecting traffic around large demonstrations. Something which you (Greece) seem to have never heard of.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Perhaps you should. We actually have police redirecting traffic around large demonstrations. Something which you (Greece) seem to have never heard of.

the police diverts the traffic but it can't help the situatuion a lot.

you barbarians have a loong way to go still moneypenny to reach us

Go away, go hmmf shoot yourself on the foot with your permit gun or something. We are trying to solve problems here.