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  • #46
    Originally posted by Faboba


    The first part being his letter, yis?
    No. I was referring to Ainulindale, which deals with the creation of the universe.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
      Tolkien, along with C.S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley was a founding member of a Christian religious society at Oxford (or was it Cambidge) at a time when religion was very much on the decline.
      It's little wonder that the Tolkienian mythology bears much resemblence with the Christian one.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Urban Ranger


        It's little wonder that the Tolkienian mythology bears much resemblence with the Christian one.


        How so?
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        • #49
          I mean, Sam had some issues to work out...




          How so?


          I don't want to get into this now (too late), but there was a course taught at Rutgers called Oxford Christianity and Tolkien, indicating that a lot of people do see the links between Tolkien and Christian mythology (Frodo as the Messiah).
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #50
            The Silmarrilion is full of Christian elements.

            Just read the first chapters. God, angels, the fallen angel becoming the devil, etc
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            • #51
              Yes, it makes me think. It makes me think that some people can twist anything into what they want to see.
              Similar to "statistics".
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #52
                I think Disney is racist because ducks only date ducks and mice only date mice.
                ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                • #53
                  The fruit of the mating of a duck with a mouse would be an abomination!
                  "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                    The fruit of the mating of a duck with a mouse would be an abomination!
                    Yeah, it would be a muck.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                      The fruit of the mating of a duck with a mouse would be an abomination!
                      I think youre just predjudiced against mucks!!
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #56
                        What exactly was goofy anyway? He wasn't a dog.

                        Besides, the disney characters are all half human anyway that's why they can talk. Walt was into beastiality.
                        A witty quote proves nothing. - Voltaire

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Faboba
                          What exactly was goofy anyway? He wasn't a dog.
                          Didnt he date Clarabelle? She was a cow...
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Andrew1999
                            If you really want to find racism in Tolkien you can look at the descriptions of the humans that fought in the war. On the side of good you have the heroic, valorous and pale-skinned peoples of the North and West. Fighting for Sauron you have the Swarthy Men, the cruel Southrons and Easterlings, and "out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues." But I prefer this passage:

                            "It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace--all in a flash of thought which was quickly driven from his mind."
                            Good choice.
                            The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                            • #59
                              Didnt he date Clarabelle?
                              No, the horse dated the cow.

                              And Goofy is a dog.

                              If you really want to find racism in Tolkien you can look at the descriptions of the humans that fought in the war. On the side of good you have the heroic, valorous and pale-skinned peoples of the North and West. Fighting for Sauron you have the Swarthy Men, the cruel Southrons and Easterlings, and "out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues."
                              A. The Easterlings aren't/weren't all evil. In the distant past groups of them aided alliance against Mordor.
                              B. The Haradrim aren't evil either. They are a proud and warlike culture, and after the War of the Ring there was peace between Gondor and Harad.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Saint Marcus

                                And Goofy is a dog.
                                What is Pluto then? A really stupid dog? Or is Goofy just super-intelligent?
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