Battle for Palestine

[Sprayber]

You Talk The Talk, But You Can't Walk The Walk

Comrad Tribune: You talk about all of these people you support but you never do anything about it except post on here. If you believe in their cause, then why don't you actually do something. All of those westereners believed in them and they actually went over and gave their blood. You sit there and call them brothers and yet you do absolutly nothing. That is the reason you make me sick. Not because of your views, but because of your childish saluting of anything that is anti-american without showing the least bit of courage to back your views up.

We have a saying in America. Put up or shut up. All you do is talk. Why don't you get out and walk the walk. Or is your anti-American bias over shawdowed by a lack of courage?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Arabs Israelis are around 18%, I believe.
Their claim wasn't only to support Pals, but to protest against some discremination they suffer, right ? This discimination are quite old and have not began after the last intifada.

Are they 2nd class citizens ?

[Urban Ranger]

Sprayber, the are those who do the talking, so to speak, and there are those who do the fighting. I don't see Dubya fighting in Afghanistan. All he does is talk.

So you must be totally sick of him, and Cheney, and Rumsfield, and the whole group of them.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
time. That most of the Jews were expelled doesn't mean they can't come back - if I came round to your house with a gun when you were a kid, and I'd kicked your family out, and then I gave it to someone else, would you consider it unjust to want to get it back?

This seems to be off.

The Israelies were *cough*transferred*cough* by the Romans centuries ago to other parts of Europe from Palestine.

IIRC, there were two such "transfers," both caused by Israeli revolts against Roman rule. The Israelies moved the first time were supposedly lost through marriage and merging in with the locals, thus the so called "12 lost tribes."

[Eli]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
The Israelies moved the first time were supposedly lost through marriage and merging in with the locals, thus the so called "12 lost tribes."

These were the Assyrians, and it's "10 lost tribes".

[Urban Ranger]

Thanks for the correction.

So you think an actual state of war now exists in the Middle East, what with the latest incursion of Israeli forces with large numbers of tanks that resulted in quite a number of Pal casualties?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

At least 20 pals were killed during this week-end I heard.
There was demonstration of settlers at Tel-Aviv too.

Of course terrorist pals will react, and so Israelis ... "Eye for an Eye", what a so marvelous behavior.

A perfect vicious circle, no end, no blance, and permanent over-reaction until the system explose.

[Eli]

Another example for my ranting against the Pals in Dal's solutions thread.

This Palestinian policeman was suspected with cooperating with Israel.

It's the Rammalah main city square btw.

[Urban Ranger]

That would be treason.

What's the punishment for treason in Israel?

[Eli]

Long long long period in jail. See the Vaanunu case.

The problem is that he wasnt trialed, and he was hanged in the ****ing city square!
Now you see with what savages we need to deal on daily basis?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Arabs Israelis are around 18%, I believe.

More.

Their claim wasn't only to support Pals, but to protest against some discremination they suffer, right ? This discimination are quite old and have not began after the last intifada.
Are they 2nd class citizens ?

Not legally.

However, since they indentify with the palestinians and some support the palestinian terracts, they are often seen as a "fifth column" by many israelis.

Plus, since they look like palestinians (and infact most are, only they chose to stay in israel) they are often the first to be stopped by police in times of crisis.

I live in a city and esp. a neighbourhood with many arabs. I don't contact with them too much, though I do fancy purchasing stuff from an arab local store. The arab owners are much nicer than the previous european ones.

However, with all my will for equality, I can honestly tell you that for the last several months, whenever I see a person who looks arabic and has an exceptionally large bag or coat, I walk away.

I probably went off dozens of buses and walked home, even though walking means I meet more arabs. But those are arabs who I don't suspect since they live here.

On a bus, I don't know who is local and who is a would be terrorist.



Another thing which palestinians may see as discrimination against them is the difference in budgets to jewish and arab cities.

But frankly, while that exists it's not a racial thing. It's a simple case of poltics.

The jewish cities, some cities in particular, have a lot of political power. Arabs have little political power. Those with higher power get exceptionally high budgets. Those without, get lower.

And yet another reason for the difference in budgets is the corruption. Arab society is based around "hamula"s. A hamula is a "wide family". Political leaders are usually from strong "familiies". They tend to be very corrupt.

It was recently uncovered that they often prevent their relatives and friends from getting paid, so that they can sue the country and then get millions. This "bonus" policy is widely used, and fought against my many young arab leaders.

[Az]

****ing savages.

Siro , it is 18%. I know the statistics.

It's a shame that the solutions thread is kinda dead. Anyone care to dig it up?


UR : how about that discussion we had about competition in the perfect state?



(yes, I know I sound a bit confused. It's my damn dog.... )

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
What DO you call a war of agression then?

This has been long discussed in another thread. Search for 'Milosevic'.

Short answer is: Look at a map. Milosevic NEVER attacked a foreign country. He was a participator in a civil war, because he opposed the split-up of Yugoslavia. He was as much an 'aggressor' as was Lincoln.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Jules
But why must there be any losers at all?

Because Israel has/is an Apartheid regime. That has to go. Palestinians won´t accept a Bantustan. Israel won´t accept anything remotely fair. So they have to fight it out. Unlike Israel, the Palestinians have nothing much to lose. They may well win.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Tom201
I dont like the idea of having collective opinions

I don´t have a collective opinion. I do not necessarily agree with all ideas of the Palestinians. (And btw, they themselves don´t agree on everything.)

But this is a war. Being on the side of the Palestinians means I want them to win.