Let's end this one and for all ! The Last ME Thread. Permanent solutions only please!

[Az]

Hello.

As many others , I am sure you're all tired from the Middle East threads . They are annoying , boring , and people seem to repeat their arguements over and over. One of the most annoying things about the ME threads , is of course a sheer lack of real solution propositions.

Yes , of course , some times arrives the ' but if Israel/Palestinians would want to end the violence they would yada yada yada' , but that's not a solution, right?

People sometimes get exited over this thread . This is O.K. , of course , but things can get real nasty, and personal attacks occur in almost every thread.

Also , many hundreds of hours were spent in a futile way that not only has no chance of changing things ( of course I don't kid myself about that ! ) but also leads to more debates . Nothing is achieved . Nothing.

So there's the plan. You post a comprehensive plan to end the conflict.

No 'World Peace'. No mass murder. Everything else is allowed.
If a plan is confronted by one of the posters , a poster that defends the plan can require an alternate plan. He can but he's not obligated to do so.

So let's give a try shall we ?

[Eli]

But I want mass murder.



(for those of you that cant understand that it's a joke, it's a joke)

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm certaintly no expert on the issue (let me stress that - I am no expert on the issue) but what I would propose would be:

You stop immideatly all retaliatory attacks (a woman and 2 children weere killed today - yes I know the circumstances this is not a condamnation it's a statement)

Even if they attack you, you do nothing but you beef up all systems meant to limit the danger of terrorist attacks WITHOUT SENDING THE TANKS AND THE F16 OUT. In short without killing anybody.

You sit on the negotiation table under the supervision of the UN, the US and the EU. The target is to create a Palestinian state.

Once this is agreed you build a large wall. Anyone who violates the rules set out in the agreement gets punitive actions FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY not from you and not from palestine.

You let the wall up for as long as it takes.

[laurentius]

My solution would be a complete equalization of jews and muslims in one Israel & Palestine-state(eg. Bosnia&Herzegovina)

So there would be only one nation, not two. Anyone would be allowed to live and practise ones religion anywhere they wish for. Most of jewish settlements would be torn down. Palestinian refugee camps would be torn down also and real towns would be builded. Jews would apologize palestinian people for their atrocities and vice versa. Small multiethnic villages would be build. Any returning palestinian refugee would be granted to enter the new state. The administration would be completely re-organized, possibly with international help. A truth comission would be established, UN peacekeepers would arrive to disarm Hamas and Hezbollah. How bout this?

[Bereta_Eder]

laurentius (funky name that One of my favorite singers has this name!)

they already said that they don't want that. (one state) I think at least... I'd also prefere it from 2 states, certaintly.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Build a 50 M high and 50 m thick concrete wall with one door that you will be able to close at will.

That's it. No more problems 8'th wonder of the world. And you will get tourists to see it for next 1000 years.

[laurentius]

OT dont take into discussion :

Originally posted by paiktis22
laurentius (funky name that One of my favorite singers has this name!)

they already said that they don't want that. (one state) I think at least... I'd also prefere it from 2 states, certaintly.

Efharisto dude
Lauri->laurentius
My favorite singer is of course Matthias Reim!

[Az]

My Proposal

The State Of Israel:

Borders:
The Borders of 67' execept Jewish parts of Jerusalem, The major settlement area southwest of Jerusalem. The Jerusalem corridor will be wider, and will contain all jewish towns there. A small part of the north of the Jordan Valley.

Nature:
Equality to all civilians.
The State will provide secular education only.
The State will be secular itself. Totally.
Law of Return will continue to exist.

Capital:
I don't care. Jerusalem , or Tel-Aviv.


The Palestinian State:

Borders:

All the west bank that's not the part of Israel+The Former Hashemite Kingdom ( who's population is already mostly non-beduin, and thus "Palestinian") The Gaza Strip.

Nature:
Equality to all civilians.
Secular.
Democratic and pluralistic.

Capital:
East Jerusalem will be trasformed into a new city called 'Al-Kutz'



Settlers :
Everyone that wants to stay in the territories stays, under the condition of dual citizenship.

Refugees :
Either Refugees get compensations ( paid by EU and US , of course ) or they return to the territory of the palestinian state.


Economies:
Separate. We part ways in peace . No Palestinian workers. Indepenance comes at a price. deal with it.

Water:
Desalanization operation in Gaza City ( also paid by the EU . )

[ColdWizard]

Step 1. Relocate all people from the ME to Australia, using anarctica as a holding point until step 2 is complete.
Step 2. Relocate excess of kangaroos from Australia to the ME.
Step 3. Bask in my infinite wisdom

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Take the jewish settlements out of the occupied areas (West Bank, Gaza Strip). Install a government hand-picked by the UN with no PLO representatives. Call it "Palestine". Keep UN forces in place to kick the crap out of anyone causing trouble. Replace Sharon.

It's a long shot, but I can't think of a better way to stop the killings.

[Az]

I don't believe I said it , but we need CyberGnu... ( OMG! What have I done .... ... endless CyberGnu rethoric ensues..)

People get serious!

Paiktis: that's not a permanent solution!

[Eli]

10 years of PLO dictatorship, media incitement, population brainwashing and Israeli pressure on the population brought a generation whose mothers praise their pizzeria-bomber children. A generation when at the age of 5, a child knows that the Jews see themselves as a master race set to take over the world, he knows that the main city street is called after the most "productive" suicide bomber in the last year, in the kindergarden the nanny praises the boy who says he wants to be a suicide bomber and the girl that is called after a female terrorist who killed 2 men walking in the street.
On the TV, after a commercial of hair shampoo you see a state sponsored commercial calling children to go out to the streets and attack the IDF soldiers. Mothers who refuse to send their children get a visit by the local security services. The next commercial blesses those who kill Jews.
All this, in a primitive intolerant society living under very hard conditions caused by the conflict. A society where large parts of the cities are still managed by hamulas(family gangs), where killing members of opposite hamulas as revenge is considered just. A society where people can storm jails and release prisoners.
A society with hundreds of thousands of people live in the slumps of the refugee camps, while the bank accounts of their corrupted leaders hold hundreds of millions of dollars. The same leaders that call their people to go for Jihad, but most of their time is spent abroad.
A society that needs the help of it's archenemy to build a University. A society where the few people who oppose the ways of the goverment find themselves thrown on the street with broken bones.
A society in which the Imams in the mosques quote Koran verses comparing the Jews to pigs and monkeys and call for Jihad against the unbelievers.

There can be no peace with this generation, and not with the one who now leads the Palestinians. That generation has Greater Palestine in his blood.

What needs to be done to end this intifada is decision by Israel that it's time to stop "signaling the Palestinians to stop the violence", and to stop bombing empty buildings and roadblocks.
The goal of the campaign should be the killing of all weapon carrying personell in the territories, the destruction of the Palestinian authority and the blocking of all possible ways to bring more weapons. Even if it means razing half of Rafah in the south of the Gaza strip, to uncover the tunnels.

We must understand that we will never get the support of Europe that is being flooded by Arab immigrants.
The current situation, when Jews are being killed every day and we do nothing to stop it, except preventing a teract here and there and making holes in buildings cannot continue. A decision mut be made. We need to decide whether we surrender, declare on the death of the Zionism and learn to swim preparing for the final Jihad, or whether we go on a real military solution, not the pathetic excuse we see now. We cannot stay in the middle, hoping to return to the negotiations table.


To be continued.

[monolith94]

They all need alot more Palmade, is what they need...

[The Mad Monk]

Oh, I don't know--Bugs' idea of a UN run and sponsored police state has it's merits...

Seriously, Dalgetti, I think your idea is pretty good--especially how it takes care of that little water problem.

[Dr Strangelove]

Send in one to two million troops, establish Palestine as a temporary UN trust territory, but also monitor Israeli activities. Palestine to include the West Bank and Gaza. Prohibit inflammatory speech on both sides. If necessary call in the "Independence Day" aliens.