Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

[Gatekeeper]

Re: Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
From cnn.com

Gallup poll: 9,924 adults in 9 muslim countries between december 2001 and januari 2002.

Did Arab groups carry out Sept.11th attacks:
18% Yes
61% No

Time and time again I hear *****ing and moaning about how the American public is so uninformed and, frankly, stupid. Well, you know what? At least in the United States we have a representative government and an open and free media that actually investigates claims made by our leaders. IOW, people in the U.S. can be ignorant only if they choose to be (and, yes, there are those types out there).

In the Arab world, ignorance is the rule, and it is used by the dictatorial and monarchial leaders to their benefit. There is no free and open media there. Time and time again I've read reports of government and religious-controlled media spouting off on things that would get any U.S. media group sued for spreading misinformation.

My point? The poll numbers above do not surprise me the least bit. What else can you expect from people whose leaders really don't have their best interests at heart?

Yeah, I know what one response to the above paragraph will be, and it revolves around Bush's alleged stupidity. But at least we can toss the man and his minions out office in 2004 via the ballot. Tell me this: In how many Arab nations can the public do that to their leaders?*

CYBERAmazon

(*Edit: Iran does come to mind, but does that include the ayatollahs? After all, they seem to be the ones blocking any progress made by more moderate elements in the government.)

[Eli]

Re: Re: Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

Originally posted by CYBERAmazon
In how many Arab nations can the public do that to their leaders?

1.

(yes, I know it was a rhetorical question )

[Bereta_Eder]

Thanks for the replies

The telephone enquiry reminded me that psychological attack on the Taliban where they called him 100 times asking him if he wanetd to buy something and he then just killed himself in desperation

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I havent been able to find any surveys on general US opinion on muslims in general, but the above should serve as warning that reciprocity of hatred doesnt always exist, no matter how comforting it may be to think it does.

LOTM

LOTM,
there are such surveys. I'll try and get one for you.
meanwhile it is clear where the americans stand now.

Friends: Europe, Britain especially.

Enemies: muslims.

I'll try to find it.

[Bereta_Eder]

Re: Re: Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

Originally posted by CYBERAmazon

My point? The poll numbers above do not surprise me the least bit. What else can you expect from people whose leaders really don't have their best interests at heart?

Many muslim nations have repressive regimes (you can call them dictatorships bu western termonology) who in many cases have the active support of the US.

They hate their regimes as much as they US for supporting them.

And it's true that these regimes have not the interests of their people at heart (what dictatorship ever did?)

The forces that are trying to overthrow these regimes are the islamist fractions of these nations and the left-wing fractions(the democratic choice). (both kept down by murder and terrorism).

[Bereta_Eder]

Nope sorry.
It was an american survey broadcasted on CNN International.

CNN's website doesn't seem to have it.

[Gatekeeper]

Re: Re: Re: Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

Originally posted by paiktis22


Many muslim nations have repressive regimes (you can call them dictatorships bu western termonology) who in many cases have the active support of the US.

They hate their regimes as much as they US for supporting them.

And it's true that these regimes have not the interests of their people at heart (what dictatorship ever did?)

The forces that are trying to overthrow these regimes are the islamist fractions of these nations and the left-wing fractions(the democratic choice). (both kept down by murder and terrorism).

The United States is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. We're hit on for supporting repressive regimes in the Middle East and we'll get bit in buttocks if we would ever actually try to overthrow the same regimes and replace them with more democratic regimes.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait (maybe Jordan) come to mind in regards to the paragraph above. Those are the only regimes that I can think of where what U.S. leaders desire may actually make the leaders of those countries "carry out our wishes." In any case, those countries sure as h*ll aren't nice, obedient U.S. puppets, are they? They're snippy, haunty and talk back too much to be proper U.S. puppets!

Elsewhere, Iran, Syria and Iraq definitely are not "controlled" by America and Turkey is its own entity (and member of NATO). Afghanistan is still up in the air — have to wait for their loya jirga to finish to have an idea where they're heading.

CYBERAmazon

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ming


Yep... you could probably buy lists from any Jewish, Christian, or just about any organization...

But that's not needed either. It would probably be asked as one of the screening questions... Question one... ARE YOU JEWISH
If not... thank you very much for your time... click...

Precisely.

LOTM

[Saint Marcus]

In the Arab world, ignorance is the rule, and it is used by the dictatorial and monarchial leaders to their benefit. There is no free and open media there. Time and time again I've read reports of government and religious-controlled media spouting off on things that would get any U.S. media group sued for spreading misinformation.

A bit overly simplistic, don't you think? Not all the arab/muslim nations have represive regimes, and there are democracies. Furthermore, Al Jazeera is a big free broadcasting network based in Qatar, and they aren't the only free and open media out there. It's true that Al Jazeera (and the BBC, CNN, etc) are banned in some arab/muslim countries, but certainly not in most.

[faded glory]

Mark.....tell us about these "Arab" democracies. Where are they?



And the only arab's who watch al-jazeera are the ones with big satelitte dishes btw. Gov's outside of Bahrain dont broadcast it.

[Saint Marcus]

Mark.....tell us about these "Arab" democracies. Where are they?

I said "arab/muslim", countries like Algeria, Turkey and Indonesia.

[faded glory]

all 3 are insignificant, pro-western nations. The majority polled were from those nations.


also, Tunisia is democracy i believe.

[Bereta_Eder]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gallup poll: how muslims view the US

Originally posted by CYBERAmazon


The United States is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. We're hit on for supporting repressive regimes in the Middle East and we'll get bit in buttocks if we would ever actually try to overthrow the same regimes and replace them with more democratic regimes.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait (maybe Jordan) come to mind in regards to the paragraph above. Those are the only regimes that I can think of where what U.S. leaders desire may actually make the leaders of those countries "carry out our wishes." In any case, those countries sure as h*ll aren't nice, obedient U.S. puppets, are they? They're snippy, haunty and talk back too much to be proper U.S. puppets!

Elsewhere, Iran, Syria and Iraq definitely are not "controlled" by America and Turkey is its own entity (and member of NATO). Afghanistan is still up in the air — have to wait for their loya jirga to finish to have an idea where they're heading.

CYBERAmazon

True. And there are those who are. Like Saudi Arabia for example which is seen as a beacon and point of reference for many muslims.

It is also based on previous US actions that have gone against the interests of the nations of that region. Memories do not fade (albeit after many many years and a after a radical improvement of relations).

And you should not forget the impact of Israel. It's creation but moreover its previous expansions to Egypt and Lebanon reflect directly on you. You can say that in the eyes of the muslims it is you who have commited these expansion. The reason is that US and Israel are considered "one". A logical even though too far fetched explanation IMO because of the american constant support to Israel.

[MrFun]

In the Middle Ages before the European Rennaissance, Baghdad was one of the widely known intellectual cities.

While there were Catholic monastaries that contributed to preservation of ancient texts and knowledge, the Muslim cities of North Africa and the Middle East also preserved many of the ancient Greek and Roman texts. Just some reminders that Europe experienced intellectual growth in part from their own efforts, as well as contributions from the Muslim world.

And are we talking about Arabs or Muslims? There are Arabs who are not Muslim, and there are Muslims who are not Arabs.

In fact, I cannot remember which one, but either Indonesia, or Malaysia has the most populous Muslim population today in the world. Arabs are in the minority I believe, within the Muslim religion today.

[HisMajestyBOB]

I do believe its Indonesia, as they are majority muslim and have a hell of a lot more people than Malaysia.

[Transcend]

There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, of which only 1/6 are Arabs. The most populous Arab country is Egypt with 60 million inhabitants. The most populous Islamic country is Indonesia with 230 million people, followed by Pakistan, India, and Iran.

Most Al-Qaedas are, however, Arabs.

During Middle Ages, Europeans played the role of the lunatic ignorant religious freaks that many Arabs are playing today.