Thinking to yourself.... how?

[Az]

Thank you Kamrat X.

Sagacious : about the criminal court field day , I am not sure , because if proven, I think something fundamental about the laws of our society will change.

[Ari Rahikkala]

When I really think I usually have the feeling that everything I figure out is already thought in and out when it comes to my mind - I only use words to sort and memorize.

On which language I think in, it really depends - if I've been posting a lot to 'net fora, I often think in English, but after a week or so of deprivation all my thinking is in Finnish. Which is much easier, since when my thoughts are in English I have to stop every so often because of a limited vocabulary ...

[Bereta_Eder]

you know what happens?

when i listen to songs in english (since I LOVE ADORE WORSHIP Rock most of the songs are in english) I can INSTANTLY replace the lyrics in Greek. Just like that. It's very strange but very easy too. I just think of lyrics in Greek there and then and just make them to fit the rythme.

OTOH if I am going to write a song and since this song will be a rock - punk song I find it easier to write in english. If it is poetry definitely Greek.

[Ari Rahikkala]

Interestingly enough, after I started reading books both in English and in Finnish (e.g. I read 'Startide Rising' in Finnish and other Uplift saga books in English) I have found out that when I remember quotes from the books, they might actually be in other languages than the one I read them in... That is, when I think of Startide Rising, I most certainly think in English. On the other hand, I remember some parts from the Uplift War better in Finnish than in English even though I never read that book in Finnish... Scary ...

[Zoid]

Sometimes when I read english books I "forget" that it´s english, my brain automatically translates the words or something I guess. Is that similar to your experience, LightEning?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Hmm... somewhat. I sometimes notice that, after reading a paragraph and pausing reading for a moment, I have the last sentence in my head in Finnish. Kind of a mental leftover... But no, I haven't actually experienced forgetting what language a book is in, since I generally change a book to picture-like (very rarely movie-like) scenes in my mind while I'm reading. Which means that I don't notice different languages at all.

[Zoid]

Does that apply to english movies and TV-series without subtitles as well? I experience the same "sensation" there...

[Ari Rahikkala]

Well... partly, but I'm horrible at understanding spoken English, so I have to concentrate to listening. If I spent a few years in some English-speaking country I would probably not think of the language...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Juggernaut
Provided enough information and know-how, it would be possible to calculate the infinite future.

Even with sufficient information there's still no way you can calculate it. As far as we know nature is fundamentally probabilistic.

The Chaos Theory alone will make you cry

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: I may be straying a bit off-topic , but...

Originally posted by Kamrat X
"Free will" is, he claims, an afterconstruction by our mind, since the descision has already been made when we become aware of it.

On what basis did he made this assertion?

Originally posted by Kamrat X
In the book he also writes that the "bandwith" of the senses is almost infinietly larger than the "bandwidth" of the mind 11Mbps compared to 1-16 bps. This means that almost everything we take in via our senses flies past the mind unnoticed.

That appears to be something he pulled out of his, uh, appendix. The brain is such a massively parallel computer that you have no idea how many things are taking place at the same time. Just think of walking.

[Zoid]

Re: Re: Re: I may be straying a bit off-topic , but...

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


On what basis did he made this assertion?

That appears to be something he pulled out of his, uh, appendix. The brain is such a massively parallel computer that you have no idea how many things are taking place at the same time. Just think of walking.

I´ll answer this in the "Maybe after all..."- thread.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Even with sufficient information there's still no way you can calculate it. As far as we know nature is fundamentally probabilistic.

The Chaos Theory alone will make you cry

Chaos theory is based on classical theories and still makes the presupposition that nature is predictable given a high enough level of detail. It is the miniscule variations from "perfect" knowledge that leads to huge variation, and hence the appearance of randomness. In the classical world it would be assumed that nature has all the information available, perfect knowledge of all the variables, and so from that viewpoint nature can make a perfect prediction of the future. The fact that one reference point (i.e that of nature) can make a 100% accurate prediction procludes any randomness. Maybe that is a philosophical point but its what classical theory would suggest.

[Juggernaut]

That would be true, but classical physics was debunked a century ago.

Why does Quantum Physics exclude the Chaos Theory?

[MORON]

I think (or not think) in ways that require the least mental effort for the task. Its usually in english, with images thrown around when I need to visualize space and math thrown in when it math (duh)

For some reason I can think in terms of music as well, though they are only good for emotion expression.

For some reason I'm not aware of thinking when I do easy tests....

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Juggernaut

Why does Quantum Physics exclude the Chaos Theory?

Because chaos theory is based on (lack of) perfect knowledge, and there is no such thing as perfect knowledge in quantum theory.

Basically chaotic systems are derived from Newtonian style equations, which believes that all variables are "knowable" its just that we are physically constrained and can only measure them to a certain accuracy. It turns out that the equations produce wildly different results even for small errors. The theory is that if we eliminated the error, we would get the correct result.

In quantum systems there is no such thing as perfect knowledge to begin with. That is, we cannot eliminate errors and know with perfect precision all the variables; and more fundamentally the equations used are not applicable, in the same way the usual Newtonian equations are not applicable in the quantum world.

Quantum "chaos" still exists, but it is not quite the same thing, the unpredictability is introduced by quantum probabilities and not lack of knowledge.