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I think the only law I obeyed to get here was the law of fetal development.
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They don't. Both groups deserve to be here equally.What makes you think they deserve to be here anymore than people who obeyed the law to get here?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That's nice. Completely irrelevant to my point, but nice.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I think the only law I obeyed to get here was the law of fetal development.
Ramo: They don't.
Good, we agree then. If you don't agree with a law you have three choices:
1) Obey it.
2) Violate it and hope no one notices but be willing to pay the consequences if someone actually does notice.
3) Try and change it.
Illegal immigrants by and large fall into category #2.
paiktis22: Nice how?
Wouldn't you like to know?
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's nice. Completely irrelevant to my point, but nice.
Nice how? From an aesthetic point of view?Comment
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Relax Dinodoc
Really is this the first time there is a "sweep operation" (as is called in Greece
) in the US?
Meaning gathering up illegal immigrants and sending them back to their countries of origin?
That's what I gathered.Comment
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LOL! You know, I wouldn't worry too much about this, Che. They'll get rid of the Paki's, but once there is an Hispanic maid shortage in Arlington Heights, the law will stop being pushed so hard:Originally posted by chegitz guevara
So who's gonna bus my tables? Who's gonna pick our vegitables? Who's gonna do all the work that Americans won't do?
I mean hell, if you're gonna throw people out of the country, why not throw out the H1-B tech immigrants so we computer workers can get more money from lowered competition. . . . Oh, right, this is about f*cking over poor people.
"Honey, we can't afford $1,000 a month for daily maid service. We need Rosarita back and we need her now! Why'd you vote for that stupid law, anyway?"Comment
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You still haven't answered my question, Dino.
What's your point?Good, we agree then. If you don't agree with a law you have three choices:
1) Obey it.
2) Violate it and hope no one notices but be willing to pay the consequences if someone actually does notice.
3) Try and change it.
Illegal immigrants by and large fall into category #2.
So they deserve to be detained indefinitely by the state simply because they disobeyed an irrational, totalitarian law. Should the same have applied to Hitler's untermenschen?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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they should be found
those who are criminial should be treated as such
those that aren't should be allowed to do the immegration process legally (maybe after a fine)
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The answer to your question is that the immigrants that obeyed the law to get here deserve to stay. Those that didn't obey the law to get here don't. Is that enough of an answer?Originally posted by Ramo
You still haven't answered my question, Dino.
That they disobeyed a very reasonable law and should not be suprised when they have to pay the piper, so to speak.What's your point?Last edited by DinoDoc; February 10, 2002, 02:33.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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It doesn't help that they don't have millions to drag out the cases in court for years, either.
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The first group that the INS is arresting consists of felons who have already served their time. And the INS is using "criminality" (not restricted to felonies - could be nothing more than jay-walking) as nothing more than an excuse to detain the rest.they should be found
those who are criminial should be treated as such
Why?(maybe after a fine)
No, but that wasn't my question anyways, it was the converse of yours. Again, what makes you believe you deserve to be here any more than "illegal" immigrants do?The answer to your question is that the immigrants that obeyed the law to get here deserve to stay. Those that didn't obey the law to get here don't. Is that enough of an answer?
Why is it reasonable? It is neither economically efficient, nor humane.That they disobeyed a very reasonable law
If you had to choose between insuring your family has enough to eat and obeying immigration regulations, would you still be a good drone of the state?and should not be suprised when they have to pay the piper, so to speak
Again, inhibiting the free movement of peoples is both morally and economically unsound.They deserve to be deported/detained by the state becuase the disobeyed a law that is neither irrational
[uote]nor totalitarian.[/quote]
The state tells you where you can or cannot go. That sounds fairly totalitarian to me.
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I haven't overstayed my visa, Ramo.Originally posted by Ramo
Again, what makes you believe you deserve to be here any more than "illegal" immigrants do?
A State has the right to control its borders which includes setting requirements on immigration which can be as free or as closed as it chooses.Why is it reasonable?
The state tells you where you can or cannot go. That sounds fairly totalitarian to me.
Everything the State does sounds fairly totalitarian to you, Ramo. I'll be serious now. Let's use Caligasta as an example. What is totalitarian about the procedures that he has gone through? Note: Overly beaurocratic is different from totalitarian.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Interesting non-sequitur, but you still haven't answered my question.I haven't overstayed my visa, Ramo.
Why? From where do these rights come from?A State has the right to control its borders
Fair enough.Everything the State does sounds fairly totalitarian to you, Ramo.
Well, there isn't exactly a huge amount of people trying to leave New Zealand to go to the US, and presumably, Cali has decent eduction. How easy do you think it would be to become a legal resident for a poor Mexican?I'll be serious now. Let's use Caligasta as an example. What is totalitarian about the procedures that he has gone through? Note: Overly beaurocratic is different from totalitarian."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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A fine because they did do something illegal and that should be discouragedOriginally posted by Ramo
The first group that the INS is arresting consists of felons who have already served their time. And the INS is using "criminality" (not restricted to felonies - could be nothing more than jay-walking) as nothing more than an excuse to detain the rest.
Why?
I am pro immegration because it is smart, not because it is 'right'
if they do crimes in the US and have not immegrated here, then I see no reason to not kick them out
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From the people wwho are citizens and set up the government (which is not those who enterd illegally)Originally posted by Ramo
Why? From where do these rights come from?
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