Appaling picture of teenage America

[DinoDoc]

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[Saint Marcus]

I got this feeling though that you are some sort of jesus lovin',cross worshiping, mary praising, beed picking, money grubbing, tongue speaking, conservative Christian though.- LR's accurate description of "Saint" Marcus

Man, you're the best!

you do know that I'm Mark L, don't you?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
you do know that I'm Mark L, don't you?

Don't lie to me! I know who you really are, you pale imitation of the great CivNation!

(Of course I know who you really are, Mark. That's why I said that the post was amusing.)

[Gibsie]

Hang on a minute, it's DinoDoc who has messed up, seemingly on purpose? Nope, seems not after all... I hope he's wearing shin-pads for when he kicks himself

When Logical Realist referred to a "jesus lovin',cross worshiping, mary praising, beed picking, money grubbing, tongue speaking, conservative Christian though.", it was semi-clearly (that is, if you read Zealot and LR's intercourse) in response to Zealot.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Gibsie
Hang on a minute, it's DinoDoc who has messed up, seemingly on purpose? Nope, seems not after all... I hope he's wearing shin-pads for when he kicks himself

When Logical Realist referred to a "jesus lovin',cross worshiping, mary praising, beed picking, money grubbing, tongue speaking, conservative Christian though.", it was semi-clearly (that is, if you read Zealot and LR's intercourse) in response to Zealot.

Ah Gibsie, you just spoiled it!
I was having so much fun with these cross-bashing! Don't you just love it when a self-proclaimed scientist feels insulted when someone disagrees with his ideals, based on I-don't-know-what-but-it-sure-was-not-on-personal-experience?

Now, about those fierce accusations:
-I do love Jesus! He's the greatest man who ever lived!
-I don't worship the cross
-I don't praise Mary
-None of the dictionaries I searched have the slightest clue of what 'beed' or 'grubbing' might be
-Yes, I do speak with my tongue, thank you very much
-I'm considered a "radical" Christian, as you might have already noticed, because I neither worship the cross, nor Mary, and no Christian should.

But since no one usually likes to see threadjacking, I think we should just stick to our oppinions about american teenagers getting involved in sexual illnesses, drugs, and alchohol abuse under 21. Wich, btw, you didn't express any worry about these problems anyway...

[Logical Realist]

Choosy Teens

But since no one usually likes to see threadjacking, I think we should just stick to our oppinions about american teenagers getting involved in sexual illnesses, drugs, and alchohol abuse under 21. Wich, btw, you didn't express any worry about these problems anyway...

For STD's there is protection; that would be more available if conservative America would make it more so.

As for Alcohal and/or drug abuse(even though alchohol is a drug,as is caffeine,as is Tylenol) I didn't discuss that. Since I do not see how sex and drugs are necessarily linked. Now I think drug abuse is a problem at any age, with the serverity of the problem depending on the drug being used. But I also recognize that all drugs are different and cannot be simply lumped together under the word "drugs" and be treated in the same manner. Each one must be judged on its own specific natures. I think that US drug laws are too harsh in many cases. You get more time for carrying acid then you do for assualt. Which is ridiculous as assualt has a victim and to me seems far worse a crime. I also think pot should be legal as it is about as bad as alchohol, others like acid and such should be legalized under harsh conditions. Some like heroine should be illegal. Like I said, it depends on the drug. People need not be ticketed for drinking coffee before a drive, but for smoking pot they should be ticketed.I do care about drug abuse and hence aplaud rehab centers and rationa organizations that attempt to help deal with the problem via rational means.

I think more should be done though in the way of research and stuff into making drugs safer instead of just condeming their abuse. I would see such research into better,safer drugs as a more realistic solution, (since there will always be law breakers) then just banning drugs.

As for sex I don't agree with promiscuity, or sleeping with random people as protection while working almost all the time does not always work. Also there is a Darwinian precedence that goes against such random encounters known as sexual selection. In nature animals don't just mate with whoever(well maybe males sometimes) but are very picky about their partners. This tends to make it so that the fittest are chosen and hence survive. I believe that such pickiness and instincts are still in us, and that teens if left alone will not normally turn to promiscuity, especially when influenced to be choosy by culture. The whole random sex thing is more cultural than biological. But people should be allowed to do have random sex if they want. And if two teens want to have sex based on selective preference, I see no problem with that at all, as long as they use protection.

But you're right for the most part, I'm not THAT worried about drugs or sex because there are worse problems out there like murder, theft, violence, abuses of power, pollution, bigotry,war and greed. I'd rather focus on solving those problems then I would the "crimes" of sex and drugs. Which don't affect me too often, that Christians seem obsessed with(as well as homosexuality, and "satanic" rock music.) To me their priorities are backwards.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

You know, this is bringing back memories of my female schoolmates in Primary school who'd show you their knickers for 5p.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Re: Appaling picture of teenage America

Originally posted by Saint Marcus

One of them even had a 2 year old baby (half black, half white), and she was younger than me.

Interesting. Why bring up the matter of the baby's racial heritage?

[Lefty Scaevola]

And which side was balck and which was white (Star Trek fans) left/white?

[Zealot]

See LR? To contribute to the forum isn't that hard, is it?

Of course, there are some things I don't agree, but that is in no way important right now.

But I would like to talk a little more about one topic that you refered, and I quote:

For STD's there is protection; that would be more available if conservative America would make it more so.

Now, if it was you, how could "conservatice America" stop you in any way from protecting yourself/your partner?

I mean, isn't it exactly because of the American society's permissiveness that many people just don't really bother about protection?

[Logical Realist]

Protection

Conservative america makes condoms hard to get. Makes protection unavailable at clinics without "parent permission". Clinics in Cali are pretty liberal and can thus give away condoms whereas in other states they are not as availabe. Also conservative parents try to end Sex Ed. programs, don't want teens to learn about condoms and don't buy their teens any and such. I know a girl who went to a Christian school and didn't even know what sex was in tenth grade. That's in California, keep in mind it usually gets more conservative from there. Condoms whould be available at every bathroom; not just at inconveniant clinics and expensive drug stores. In that way protection would be easier to get and would hence be used more.

[devilmunchkin]

LR: planned parenthood. it's awesome!

[Drekkus]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
You know, this is bringing back memories of my female schoolmates in Primary school who'd show you their knickers for 5p.

There was a girl in my highschool that let herself be fingered for a snickersbar. When I told this to a ladyfriend of mine, she paused for 30 seconds and then asked: 'who exactly got the snickersbar, he or she?'.

[Caesar the Great]

soft drugs pot, alcohol are not really problems unless abused... personally i think ciggarettes are worse b/c they have really bad effects on you, not to mention they're FAR more addictive...

i know lots of kids who just have a few beers on the weekends, or smoke a joint every month or so.... this has next to no effect on one's health, in facts its probably good for their mental health... of course that isn't really the problem...

in other schools nearby there are HUGE problems with drugs, sex etc and i do have to agree, lack of parenting is a big part of the problem, but so is the entire culture that has formed in the last decade...

[DinoDoc]

Re: Protection

Originally posted by Logical Realist
Conservative america makes condoms hard to get.

What are you taling about? I can go to a restroom less than 500 ft away from my dorm room and buy condoms from a vending machine in the state of Mississippi. Exactly how much of this arguement is rooted in your own ignorance and how much actually has facts to back it up?