Slavery Museum - Bad Idea?

[KrazyHorse]

Balconville by famed Montreal playwright David Fennario deals exactly with this issue...except with the French and English playing the roles of black and white.

It's also, as far as I know, the only bilingual play in regular production, and Fennario makes a habit of showing up at IS meetings, so he's cool with me.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
If you want to use that argument, then states have NO rights, ultimately - if the federal government decides it doesn't like a state's action, all it would have to do is claim rebellion.

I'm starting to see that we are going to get into a game of semantics, if I don't get one thing out of the way before I answer this claim. How do you define the term rebellion/insurrection?

For example, say that Texas passes an 18 year old drinking age. The federal government calls this an act of rebellion, and forces Texas to go back to 21.

I really don't understand what logical hoops you had to jump through in order to apply this example to me arguement.

1) The Federal government is Constitutionally barred from directly setting the drinking age within a State.

2) Opperating within the Constitution, the most the Federal government could legally do is to withhold a portion of thier highway monies.

3) Nothing in the Constitution gives the Federal government either explicit of implied authority to take such an action in the situation you describe anyway. Such is not the case with the case of the CSA.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Oh, bull****.
Read an analysis on Black's feelings on the South vs. the North.
If you're talking hispanics, well good gawd man, try to stem the tide of illegals.
There are numbers for a reason.

Naah, since this thread started about a slavery museum, I'm talking blacks.

You think everything was fine and dandy and AA just popped in there out of the blue? Perhaps caused by "outside agitators"

The whole south has made a hell of a lot of improvement, but a lot of the **** the south improved from was happening in the lifetimes of most adults who are around today.

And I've lived all over the US, from Washington state to Michigan, California to North Carolina, and a good portion of what's in between.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


I'm starting to see that we are going to get into a game of semantics, if I don't get one thing out of the way before I answer this claim. How do you define the term rebellion/insurrection?

I define it as an armed attempt to overthrow the Federal government, or an armed attempt to take over state government against the will of the people of the state. (This would exclude Dorr's rebellion, which is otherwise a wonderful demonstration of Federal acknowledgement of State sovereignty in upholding the only case of a state within the United States issuing a treason charge and convicting the accused for treason against the State of Rhode Island. And the best thing is that the state which was so concerned with it's sovereign rights was one of theirs.

Note that peacefully dissolving the bonds of association with other sovereign states does NOT constitute rebellion in my book, because the states seceding had no issue with other states choosing to remain associated with the Union, and we did not seek to impose our government on them.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Would you rather be black?

No.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Caligastia


No.

Okay. And why is that?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Everyone has a right to x.

Right there is where you are completely wrong.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Guynemer


Okay. And why is that?

Im happy with who I am.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Im happy with who I am.

Damn. Way to dodge. Did you box in your youth?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Guynemer


Damn. Way to dodge. Did you box in your youth?

No, I dont like that so-called sport. Its barbaric.

[Jac de Molay]

Slavery museum

The Charles Wright Museum of African American History in Detroit is the largest African American historical museum in the world. Does this count?

maah-detroit.org/facts.html

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I define it as an armed attempt to overthrow the Federal government, or an armed attempt to take over state government against the will of the people of the state.

Then most if not all of the States in the CSA, could be said to be in rebellion according to your definition as the slave population which did out number thier masters in some areas could not be resonablly said to agree to the formation whose primary reason for existance was the preservation of slavery.

[MichaeltheGreat]

We're talking about the Constitutional issue. They weren't legally people at the time, plus if they were treated as humans, and had had suffrage, they were still a minority.

The state governments held secession conventions, and the (white males) who were the only class of persons to have suffrage under state or Federal laws at that time, met to elect delegates to those conventions and empowered them to vote on the issue as the offical representatives of the people of the respective states.

The slave populations did outnumber their masters in some areas, but not across the whole of any state. And whether you want to or not, you have to stick with the suffrage laws of the time in talking about the legality of rebellion.

Besides, the point has been covered in past threads that only seven states had any reference to slavery as a cause of secession, while four others seceded and three declared neutrality in response to the unconstitutional demand for Federalized state troops to carry out Yankee agression in resolving a political dispute.

Hopefully you're less high-strung than Snowfire in discussing these matters. I think I nearly gave him a stroke once.

[orange]

Re: Slavery museum

Originally posted by DetroitDave
The Charles Wright Museum of African American History in Detroit is the largest African American historical museum in the world. Does this count?

maah-detroit.org/facts.html

Important distinction: African American History and Slavery History are not the same thing...both include things that the other does not.

A museum of slave history or even American slavery history can and should include things outside of black slaves.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
We're talking about the Constitutional issue.

We're dressing up armed, organized resistance against a duly constituted government that hadn't and wouldn't have taken any agressive actions against the States and thier "peculiar institution" when the wave of secessions started as something romantic.

They weren't legally people at the time, plus if they were treated as humans, and had had suffrage, they were still a minority.

These conditions aren't relevent to the definition you originally gave, MtG.

And whether you want to or not, you have to stick with the suffrage laws of the time in talking about the legality of rebellion.

The legality of rebellion is and was already a settled Constitutional question. Now, the question of weather that rebellion was morally justified is another matter altogether and one in which I look foward to seeing your opinions on.

Besides, the point has been covered in past threads that only seven states had any reference to slavery as a cause of secession, while four others seceded and three declared neutrality in response to the unconstitutional demand for Federalized state troops to carry out Yankee agression in resolving a political dispute.

The main reason for my contention that the preservation of the peculiar institution of slavery was of primary importance to the CSA is that had they freed thier slaves and then petitioned Great Britian for military aid we would likely wishing President Helms luck in his war against Al Qaeda today.

Hopefully you're less high-strung than Snowfire in discussing these matters. I think I nearly gave him a stroke once.

You're talking to a born and brred MS boy. I actually hope you can prove me wrong on either the legality of or the justification for rebellion.