"Environmentalism" And WTC

[Berzerker]

In 1948, Herbert Levine invented an inexpensive, compact, lightweight, spray-on structural steel thermal insulation comprised of asbestos and rock wool.

In 1971, when the WTC towers were being constructed, the city of New York banned the use of asbestos. But the builders could not go back to the method of skyscraper construction used for The Empire State building and other, older skyscrapers because the steel frames used in them were insulated by a couple feet of concrete. Doing this would have added too much weight to the top floors for the lower 64 to support.

The Port Authority wasn't about to tear down the half-completed structures so the builders rigged a non-asbestos "substitute". Back in the 70's, Mr Levine said if a fire ever breaks out above the 64th floor, the tower(s) would collapse. He was right...

-information from Durk Pearson, "Reflections" - Feb 2002 "Liberty" magazine

[Case]

My Grandad died of lung cancer which he contracted by breathing in asbestos during his time in the Australian merchant navy in WW2. It's really not a nice way to go.

For your information, once you get some asbestos in your lungs, a lot of it never comes out. As a result it's really nasty stuff, that has a good chance of killing anyone who comes near it for even a moderate length of time.

If they couldn't build a safe building without using the stuff, then they shouldn't have built it. It's as simple as that.

[Guynemer]

Berzerker, do you have any idea at all how many people died of asbestos-related diseases in the past fifty years? Construction workers, sailors, dockworkers, contractors? The stuff is POISON.

[Berzerker]

I've worked with asbestos and had an uncle who died from lung disease caused by toxics used in painting ships, that doesn't excuse what they did with the WTC towers. They should have completed them using the asbestos or started over.
The fact they didn't remove the asbestos from the lower floors shows they weren't too concerned about the health of the occupants. Maybe they concluded the process in which the asbestos was being used was not grounds for worry, but still had to comply with the law.

[DinoDoc]

The health effects of undisturbed asbestos are exaggerated.

[JohnT]

[Asher]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The health effects of undisturbed asbestos are exaggerated.

That was really, really inconsiderate and insensitive. Did you look at the rest of this thread?

[Case]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The health effects of undisturbed asbestos are exaggerated.

Does crashing a plane into an asbestos coated building disturb the asbestos?

[Ted Striker]

****ing brilliant Berzerker.

Next I say we advocate going back to lead based paint and gasoline while we are at it.

Of course, they should have completed the thing with it being full of asbestos, that way the entire city of Manhattan would have gotten coated in it.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Asher
That was really, really inconsiderate and insensitive.

I didn't lie, Asher. If the truth hurts, you so be it but don't complain when I accuse you of hypocrisy. FYI, I read what I needed to of the thread.

[Asher]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I didn't lie, Asher. If the truth hurts, you so be it but don't complain when I accuse you of hypocrisy. FYI, I read what I needed to of the thread.

[DanS]

"The fact they didn't remove the asbestos from the lower floors shows they weren't too concerned about the health of the occupants. Maybe they concluded the process in which the asbestos was being used was not grounds for worry, but still had to comply with the law."

I wonder how many asbestos claims will arise from this one...

Anyway, this is a fallacious argument and I'm surprised that you would put much stock in it, Berzerker (very sloppy reasoning by the article writer). Levine didn't say anything about large jet carriers filled to the brim with fuel hitting the towers. The article writer goes on to imply by clumsy sophistry that if the asbestos were done to the top, 9/11 could have been avoided. I'm guessing that opinion is well above his pay grade.

[uh Clem]

Something seems to be a problem near Ground Zero.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1751451.stm

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Case
Does crashing a plane into an asbestos coated building disturb the asbestos?

I wasn't commenting on Berz's article, Case. So, you can spare me the histrionics. I was commenting on this, The stuff is POISON.

Asher: Can I expect to see you not complain anymore about PH's ban if I've offended you be speaking the truth?

[Asher]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Asher: Can I expect to see you not complain anymore about PH's ban if I've offended you be speaking the truth?

I never complained about PH's banning. I was questioning giving Gianny only 1 week (2 weeks effective) for talking about mass murder on minorities. But stop trying to threadjack.

I was not actually offended by your comment, but several people talked about how they had loved ones die because of it, and you come in here saying it's not a big deal.