Plane Flies Into Building

[Urban Ranger]

Siro,

You're mad. Shooting down a 15-year old flying a light plane? What'll you suggest next? Use anti-tank missiles on getaway cars?

[Thue]

Originally posted by Asher

I'm not American. Whoosh.

I guess they aren't very hot on the geography lessons in Canada?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Thue
I guess they aren't very hot on the geography lessons in Canada?

Whatever you're talking about, I blame it on the years I was in an American public school.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Thue


I guess they aren't very hot on the geography lessons in Canada?

No, that would be the Americans(yanks, if you prefer), who think they are the only people who live in America.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Zopperoni

OK, here goes:

Main -> Security & Privacy permissions -> Messages (that's under the Permissions header near the left bottom corner) -> there you tick the box which says "Do not accept World Wide Pager Messages"

Now you should not receive any porn-msgs anymore.

Doesn't work...
I have this and still recieve more spam than i used to

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Siro,

You're mad. Shooting down a 15-year old flying a light plane? What'll you suggest next? Use anti-tank missiles on getaway cars?

getaway car -> risks civilians
airplane -> risks more civilians (assuming he has the sence to crash into crowded places)

I'm sorry, but I prefer to preserve the lives of innocent by standers rather than protect some crazy idiots.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Asher
I don't think you have a clue what most municipal airports are like. They do not have armed guards protecting every cessna...

Which leaves it open for terrorists, criminals and nutty 15 year olds.

Ok, you weren't used to such violence before, time to change. If you won't, a smarter 15 y/o will do more damage.

Actually, it turned out they scrambled F-15s. They didn't shoot anything down because they didn't know he was going to smash it into a building, and even if they did know at the last second, shooting the plane down over a crowded area is a pretty dumb idea. Rather smack it into a (fairly) abandoned building.

They didn't shoot down the 4 abducted airplanes on sept. 11 too, because they didn't know what they were up to.

However if they would have. the casualties would have been 10 times less.

'****, this is not a commercial airport. They take off from little small airports, NOT commercial airports. Entirely different things.

So a terrorist can steal a cesna from a small airport, load it with explosives and then crash into a building.

Nothing, but they might as well crash a Ford F-150, they're about the same size as Cessnas.

Well if Ford 150 were only available in Fordports, they should have been guarded too

You have to weigh some things into consideration here. Of course it's not okay for them to crash into small buildings, but it's also not okay to spend billions and billions of dollars on small airport security for something that's not a large threat. These planes can't be used as very effective terrorist devices at all.

fine, we shall wait for the next time then.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Which leaves it open for terrorists, criminals and nutty 15 year olds.

Ok, you weren't used to such violence before, time to change. If you won't, a smarter 15 y/o will do more damage.

You are absolutely correct.
Military state for everyone.
We should also ID and log each time somebody buys backpacks, incase they use them for explosives later.
Perhaps we should also place armed guards with sub machine guns in public places like malls.
And install Anti-Aircraft turrets atop all skyscrapers.

They didn't shoot down the 4 abducted airplanes on sept. 11 too, because they didn't know what they were up to.

However if they would have. the casualties would have been 10 times less.

Again, everything's far easier in retrospect. It all happened so fast that your point is moot. Who would have guessed the airplanes would have intentionally smashed into buildings? Shooting down the airplane right away is a really, really dumb idea. Most of the time the airplanes aren't bombs.

So a terrorist can steal a cesna from a small airport, load it with explosives and then crash into a building.

He can also steal a pickup truck, load it with explosives, and crash it into a building/marketplace. Do you suggest we place armed guards at all parking lots, and check ID and whatnot?

Well if Ford 150 were only available in Fordports, they should have been guarded too

You obviously aren't aware of just how many small airports there are in North America.

[General Ludd]

I don't know why I'm telling you this...

Originally posted by Asher

You are absolutely correct.
Military state for everyone.
We should also ID and log each time somebody buys backpacks, incase they use them for explosives later.
Perhaps we should also place armed guards with sub machine guns in public places like malls.
And install Anti-Aircraft turrets atop all skyscrapers.

Reminds me of my highschool days... ok, well not quite, but all of the stores would force you to leave your back packs outside, and there would be police patroling everywhere around the school, and always atleast one inside the school. Some of the stores in the area even hooked up security cameras to watch the outside of their store.

[Thue]

Osweld: When, where and why?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Asher

You are absolutely correct.
Military state for everyone.
We should also ID and log each time somebody buys backpacks, incase they use them for explosives later.
Perhaps we should also place armed guards with sub machine guns in public places like malls.
And install Anti-Aircraft turrets atop all skyscrapers.
[...]Most of the time the airplanes aren't bombs.

[...]He can also steal a pickup truck, load it with explosives, and crash it into a building/marketplace. Do you suggest we place armed guards at all parking lots, and check ID and whatnot?


You obviously aren't aware of just how many small airports there are in North America.

This policy was fine while you were not threatened by anyone.

However now you are a target for terror attacks so I'd expect you to treat possible dangers far more seriously. At least while terror is still live and kicking.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
This policy was fine while you were not threatened by anyone.

You don't seem to understand the logistics of adding tight security, like you want, into the small airports in North America. There is minimal risk and maximum cost, it doesn't make sense.

However now you are a target for terror attacks so I'd expect you to treat possible dangers far more seriously. At least while terror is still live and kicking.

I live in a geographically spread-out city in Canada.
Whew.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Thue
Osweld: When, where and why?

Guelph, Ontario. A few years ago, and because we where teenagers.

Actually, i can't say I blame them, alot of the students where drug addicts and punks in general, probably two thirds of the students did drugs of one sort or another - usually leaving the school and geting high in some parking lot ect... which the local store owners obviously did not like. Not to mention shoplifting...

There was a large fight nearly everyday - everyone would crowd around and not let the fighters away, or the principal / police in to break it up, these often took place in the surrounding property, aswell... and could get quite bloody in those incidents since there was no one to break it up.

In one instance, there was even a gang fight - not directly involving the school, but all of the poeple involved where students from the school. (I don't know the specifics of that, but I hear they found a bunch of weapons like chains, nun-chucks, bats, knives ect.. in one of the student's car)


You'd almost think I lived in the states... 'least we don't have guns here, though. (actually... in another school I went to there was an instance where someone brought a BB gun to school, saying it was a real gun - apparently he was trying to intimidate a gang that was after him for some reason)

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

getaway car -> risks civilians
airplane -> risks more civilians (assuming he has the sence to crash into crowded places)

I'm sorry, but I prefer to preserve the lives of innocent by standers rather than protect some crazy idiots.

The US does have to keep some perspective here. A cesna that masses less than a car and which doesn't have much more speed has orders of magnitude less kinetic energy (and hence killing potential) than a 500-odd ton Airliner with a full fuel load flying at several hundred knots. While the cesna could have been used as a lethal weapon it would hardly have been to a large enough degree to warrant shooting it down, possibly causing proportional casualties anyway.
In any case it seems the scrambled F-15's weren't in position to intercept until after the crash.

[Dis]

and from what I can tell, this thing didn't even explode. It didn't do a whole lot of damage.

The only thing we need to watch for on small planes, is cropdusters and the like for biological/chemical weapons. But even then, modifications need to be made in order to get the right sized particles spread accross the city. Or what has been pointed out, loading the plane with explosives.

But the plane itself poses little threat, and doesn't warrant additional security. We just need to keep an eye on the cropdusters.