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[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Gibsie
It seems quite ironic that a tough ex-military man gets all hissy and pissy because someone disses the military.

Actually, it had nothing to do with the military per se. Higgsy made his little remark about anyone who has been in the military.

So in your view, Higgsy can say what he wants, but Slowwhand can't say what he wants?

[Ecthy]

MtG, it has been an inoffical rule of this forum that Europeans are banend as annoying spammy trolls when they say what they think, because American posters have been quicker at complaining about other posters.

Now what did Higgsy say? I missed his relevant post...

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I agree that Higgsy's comment was a bit much. I respect the job people volunteer to do when they join up.

I don't, however, respect the attitude that some veterans appear to have regarding those who don't join up. (Not talking to you in particular, Slowwhand)

The military's not, and shouldn't be for everybody.

You are absolutely correct, Krazy Horse.
Any time, I mean ANY TIME, I've suggested one should serve their country, I've pointed out alternatives to military.
By the same token, I'm fed up with little jerks who bad mouth those who ARE in the military.
Like it or not, it's best to have a military in place.

Let's look at the game of Civ.
You might build a farm. Irrigate. Mine, etc., but at some point if you don't have a military, you've made these improvements for someone else.
You know what I'm saying?

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Asher
We've been through this with SlowwHand before. He's being kinda egocentric, but that's to be expected with Texans.

He assumes what he believes in and what he's interested in should be what everyone else believes in, also. World doesn't work like that.

I respect people no matter what they do (sorta). I respect garbage men, CEOs, military people, etc. I don't respect criminals (in the sense of real criminal activity, not stuff like smoking weed).

That being said, the only military branch I was remotely interested in was the Air Force, but my eyesight kinda sucks. No air force for me, no military for me. That's fine though, I can contribute to my nation in other ways. Doesn't have to be through service like SlowwHand seems to think.

And Asher, you're one of the ignorant little poindexters I speak of in my tirade.
What keeps Canada safe? Let me tell you. Proximity to the United States.
Disagree all you want, because facts are facts.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Dashi actually that's one of the main reasons I respect people like Slowwhand, Chris 62, MtG and Sikander. Because they have served.

I respect them despite disagreeing with them on many issues.


(that means I'll declare my disagreement but I will never offend them - be provocative to them)

And paiktis, you are a more than just an ok guy.
Whenever we've disagreed, at least you made me consider your point of view.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Funny how you can pick one example and claim that represents "most" of nearly one million people.

I don't dispite that there is the possibility of some servicemen are in the US armed forces to protect their country.

Yet none of those who I know who are/were in the US armed forces see it that way.

[KrazyHorse]

Let's look at the game of Civ.
You might build a farm. Irrigate. Mine, etc., but at some point if you don't have a military, you've made these improvements for someone else.
You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. This doesn't give a get out of jail free card to any military intervention people think is necessary, but it certainly demonstrates the absolute necessity of a society being prepared to defend itself.

[MattHiggs]

I know a couple of people who have been in the military and I am happy to say to their face that it is a load of bollocks. Most of them, from my experience, look down on 'civvies' and they think that they are the ones protecting us.

It is infact us who are protecting them, by putting them into a mindless career and making them institutionalised so they can become a part of society.

Most of us know the types that go into the army, mindless thugs or those that want to run from something. I even had a mate that got a girl pregnant and said 'f*ck it... I'll join the army'

They all think it's a nice cushy little number, then they moan and whine when they get called to war, and the ones that don't just want to kill something. They seem to forget why the get that nice little income.

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, just shut up.

The military has its share of mindless thugs, just like the average construction site will.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by SlowwHand


And Asher, you're one of the ignorant little poindexters I speak of in my tirade.
What keeps Canada safe? Let me tell you. Proximity to the United States.

Actually, I think it's because nobody in their right mind would want to spend half their lives ass deep in snow.

[MattHiggs]

The military has its share of mindless thugs, just like the average construction site will.

Yes but working on a construction site isn't their a huge part of their lives.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by MattHiggs
I know a couple of people who have been in the military and I am happy to say to their face that it is a load of bollocks. Most of them, from my experience, look down on 'civvies' and they think that they are the ones protecting us.

It is infact us who are protecting them, by putting them into a mindless career and making them institutionalised so they can become a part of society.

Most of us know the types that go into the army, mindless thugs or those that want to run from something. I even had a mate that got a girl pregnant and said 'f*ck it... I'll join the army'

They all think it's a nice cushy little number, then they moan and whine when they get called to war, and the ones that don't just want to kill something. They seem to forget why the get that nice little income.

That doesn't say much for your country's army then. We don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get people for ours. And you infer a lot from "I've known a couple of people"

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, I think it's because nobody in their right mind would want to spend half their lives ass deep in snow.

"I do not comprehend why a people would fight so hard for a land so entirely composed of ice and snow"-Unknown American Lieutenant during the War of 1812

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


I don't dispite that there is the possibility of some servicemen are in the US armed forces to protect their country.

Yet none of those who I know who are/were in the US armed forces see it that way.

REMFs, or combat arms people? When/how did they serve? You won't hear a bunch of people come out and say "we're here to protect the country" any more than you'll hear them point out the sky is blue. It's fundamental to the job. People will talk about working/living conditions, benefits, pay, chicken****, etc. - all typical employment talk.

The number who pop up and say "Gee, now you mean you actually expect me to earn my pay?" is a real tiny (and heartily despised) minority - just the occasional sad sack who just kind of lip synched the oath he or she swore, without paying attention to it.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by MattHiggs


Yes but working on a construction site isn't their a huge part of their lives.

Yes it is, for ~60 hours a week during the season. That's more than half their waking hours spent on site. People identify with their jobs. It's a fact of life. Just because the military helps make certain choices easier doesn't mean it's a cop-out.