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  • #46
    Death to Fascism!

    Originally posted by Giancarlo
    Franco was too popular.
    That explains the right's defeat in the elections. Franco's victory had more to do with support from Hitler & Mussolini and the backstabbing by Stalinists then his popularity (which wasn't too much).
    "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners." - Edward Abbey
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    • #47
      Re: Death to Fascism!

      Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka


      That explains the right's defeat in the elections. Franco's victory had more to do with support from Hitler & Mussolini and the backstabbing by Stalinists then his popularity (which wasn't too much).
      And? He became popular after 1939. His economic programs are a model.

      Spain was won by Franco, and gave the Stalinists their first defeat. Their next defeat came in South Korea where they were kicked out.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #48
        Re: Re: Death to Fascism!

        Originally posted by Giancarlo


        And? He became popular after 1939.
        That's cause he was a fascist who suppressed criticism of him.

        Spain was won by Franco, and gave the Stalinists their first defeat.
        Actually the Bolsheviks were given their first defeat shortly after the Russian Revolution when they tried to spread their revolution to other countries in Europe and Asia and failed miserably. And the Spanish Communist Party was a negligable force prior to the start of the Civil War. It was Franco's attempted coup and ensuing events which led to the Stalinist's emergance as a signifigant political force on the Republican side. To claim he stopped the Stalinists is BS because his actions were what caused them to be a threat in the first place. Besides, the Fascist state Franco installed was at least as bad as a Stalinist state.
        "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners." - Edward Abbey
        http://www.anarchyfaq.org

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Sirotnikov
          I'll invent my own form.

          Some sort of an authoritarian parliamentarian presidency.
          Exactly.

          Led by the only man on this planet who can make things exactly in the way they should be. (that's me! )
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          • #50
            :: Pulls up chair, opens bag of chips ::

            Yeeha! Giancarlo vs. a Anarchist (Joe Blow or whatever the hell his name is)
            Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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            • #51
              Re: Re: Re: Death to Fascism!

              Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka


              That's cause he was a fascist who suppressed criticism of him.



              [/quote]
              Actually the Bolsheviks were given their first defeat shortly after the Russian Revolution when they tried to spread their revolution to other countries in Europe and Asia and failed miserably.[/quote]

              I didn't know that.

              And the Spanish Communist Party was a negligable force prior to the start of the Civil War. It was Franco's attempted coup and ensuing events which led to the Stalinist's emergance as a signifigant political force on the Republican side.
              The Republican side lost.

              To claim he stopped the Stalinists is BS because his actions were what caused them to be a threat in the first place. Besides, the Fascist state Franco installed was at least as bad as a Stalinist state.
              He had to get support from somebody, most likely Mussolini and Hitler. Franco brought alone the economic boom of the 1960s... Encarta says that and that is apparent in Spain today.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #52
                The leaders were killed and thier small victories were crushed.
                Because of the power-hungry Stalinists.

                Gia-pet would probably point out the movements association with terrorism here.
                I would probably point out that terror involves actions against innocent civilians; most anarchist acts of violence were carried out against the state.

                I would also probably point out the incomparably stronger association between the state and terrorism.

                No offense ramo or anything, but wasn't it Franco who ruled my country with an iron fist from the 1930s till 1975?
                He didn't win the Civil War until the end of the decade.

                I am deeply upsetted about how one can believe in anarchy.
                I'm sure a fascist would be "deeply unsettled" about how anyone can believe in anarchy.

                Franco was too popular.
                Would that be the reason why he executed over a hundred thousand Spaniards? Because they loved him too much?

                He became popular after 1939. His economic programs are a model.
                Just like Hitler and Stalin were popular, right?
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #53
                  Their next defeat came in South Korea where they were kicked out.
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                  • #54
                    Theocracy. Really. Although Baathist neo-Islamic totalitarianism is pretty cool too.

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                    • #55
                      So is Giancarlo a gay republican from Spain?

                      That seems quite oxymoronic.
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                      • #56
                        All those social dems....



                        /me thinks this forum have a leftist bias

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
                          So is Giancarlo a gay republican from Spain?

                          That seems quite oxymoronic.
                          No. I am a nationalist from Spain.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by MORON
                            All those social dems....



                            /me thinks this forum have a leftist bias
                            No question. All the Canadians and Eurocoms
                            I refute it thus!
                            "Destiny! Destiny! No escaping that for me!"

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Giancarlo
                              No. I am a nationalist from Spain.
                              So you are a gay republican nationalist from Spain? I've heard about those nude pics, so don't deny the gay part.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                Because of the power-hungry Stalinists.
                                It was a civil war are you telling me that they seriously expected any alliance to hold. Anyway what does the Paris Commune have to do with Catalonia? I always thought that was more of a defeat for the Commies than the Anarchists.

                                I would probably point out that terror involves actions against innocent civilians; most anarchist acts of violence were carried out against the state.
                                At which point he would say that most forms of terror are directed against the State and ask you to differentiate between Anarchist terrorism from Communist terrorism.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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