Any Body Still Have Any Doubts?

[Ecthy]

It was just fun watching it

Well, I have no idea who did it, but Americans seem to make it very easy. The only proof that was ever published is that video, bu OBL might as well use the public opinion and make it all up now, without knowing himself who really did it. You know, as in receiving support from other extremists.

I doubt the US did it, they won't let thousands of their people jump über the klinge...

And then OBL seems to be responsible for the embassy bombings, so there would be a connection... but no proof.

And in the end, I don't care for final proof. I want to be safe, and if the US (and their allies) manage to secure the people not only in the US but also in Europe and the rest of the world, then their efforts were helpful and sensible. But whether we'r really safer after this thing, we will see. Now look into Siro's thread, OBL might be totally safe... he has lost a majority of his resources, but his will and money is still there...

[faded glory]

Ethcelon is ignorant moron. We've proved this time and again...

European, enlightened etc

You are'nt enlightened, your a narrow-minded fool.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by sachmo71
From what I gather from you response, you are saying that a video isn't enough proof. Is that right? If someone showed a video of your wife/girlfriend having sex with another man, and she was screaming and/or gasping words in a language you didn't understand, would you need more proof, or would you do something about it?

1. The translaztion might be made up, but enough for conspiracies, more importantly i2...

2. he might abuse the public opinion (that he did it) and just pretend that he really was it... to enjoy support from other extremists, we never know... in that case, he needs to be punished for the embassy bombings and geläutert for being a d!ick, but the problem is not solved...

[Ecthy]

Ecthelion is ignorant moron. We've proved this time and again...

learn spelling my handle. and the proven idiot, that is you

I like how you use mad and lol smilies in the same post... need your medicine again?

[sachmo71]

If you say so, but I have a feeling that a lot of extremists are going to disappear into the woodwork once the Afganistan phase is over. I doubt many counties will want to keep them within their borders, also. Unless they want their entire infrastructure destroyed in an hour, that is.

I am not in agreement with some of those saying he will never be caught. He will slip up, and we'll be there to grab him.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by sachmo71
If you say so, but I have a feeling that a lot of extremists are going to disappear into the woodwork once the Afganistan phase is over. I doubt many counties will want to keep them within their borders, also. Unless they want their entire infrastructure destroyed in an hour, that is.

what if the countries don't even know it? I mean, to me it seems it must be pretty easy to hide in a country like Russia, for example.. just hide there their infrastructure is not the best in the world now is it, also applies for internal security...

I'd also add Germany as a country where you can easily hide, but our minister of inner affairs has some nice things in petto to totally abolish freedom and create another dictatorship, this time in the name of... of what? anti-terrorism? on what expense? freedom, so why actually fight terrorism if we give up freedom for fighting it? it's getting 1984 around us

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


learn spelling my handle. and the proven idiot, that is yo

I never implied you were an idiot. I was simply pointing out how immature and ignorant you are (lacking the facts). Im begining to think this is some sort of genetic trait in Germany

I like how you use mad and lol smilies in the same post... need your medicine again?

Ok, you seen the video......you've seen OBL himself.ADMITTING he did it.. You know he hates the West. You know this......yet you continue to believe he is not responsible?? That we are scapegoating him? Still think the CIA had somthing to do with it?

Or are you one of those people who believe its all a media conspiracy. The WTC are still there, of course they are! Nobody ever crashed things into them

[Ecthy]

Ok, you started to flame nations, so will I do now

Is it the typical American way of debating, just inventing something and accuse the opponent of using it as an argument?

If so, poor country. But the country is not poor, so you are the exact opposite of what you think you are. You think you're such a great American, but you're a shame for your country and the ideals that make the whole spirit about it.

[smellymummy]

well where is obl? (btw, why isnt no one writing UBL ? )

Have you all seen the part where that one sheik says "It's such a clean place here, and in a safe location, etc etc".

I was under the impression afghanistan country side and towns were overran by opposition forces. And even if this was videotaped a few months ago (can't be that many) most of afghanistan has been bombed continuously. Unless the civilian areas are truly safe and untouched by bombs. Or maybe that was one of osama's underground complexes.

Speaking about conspiracy theories, didnt you think that last sheik was kinda odd? It was almost as if he was sucking up to obl, trying to make him (obl) confess and gloat over the WTC. Like a set-up.

And what about that weird sound the person who was videotapping made. As if nervous or whatever...

And how in the world could they of had made a very precise translation. I could barely make out any of the arabic, and most of it was undiscernable/inaudible.

[sachmo71]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Ok, you started to flame nations, so will I do now

Is it the typical American way of debating, just inventing something and accuse the opponent of using it as an argument?

If so, poor country. But the country is not poor, so you are the exact opposite of what you think you are. You think you're such a great American, but you're a shame for your country and the ideals that make the whole spirit about it.

Well, Ecthelion, I would ask a bit of leeway for Americans. We are still as mad as hornets, and this video only fuels the fire. Big time. I hope you can understand that.

[Scipio Centaurus]

I saw a 90 second excerpt of some video w/ subtitles, where a guy who bore some vague resemblance to the image of bin Laden I've seen in the news the past few years was speaking in nearly inaudible whispers in a language I did not understand. This guy had dark skin and hair, long beard, etc. According to the subtitles, this guy seemed to be trying to impress some off-camera audience [drinking buddies maybe?] by falsly claiming to have trained people to fly hijacked aircraft into the WTC. An obvious hoax. Must have been trying to yank Dubya's chain - probably for his daddy's [and other US administrations] interference in middle eastern affairs.

Not to worry, though. The Bush administration has already made it clear that bin Laden is to be blamed for 9/11 anyway, so no 'smoking gun' evidence is necesary.

The audio portion is essentially so garbled as to be inaddmissable in any reasonable facsimile of an open court proceeding with rules of evidence. That's aside from the lack of credulity that any evidence tracking chain would naturally bring along with it.

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"Can't you do something to restore the audio?"
"No, but I can boost the jingoism signal gain."
"Ahhh. Much better. I can hear that frikkin' murderer very clearly now."

[Ecthy]

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Is it the typical American way of debating, just inventing something and accuse the opponent of using it as an argument?

Sorry Im not catching your drift? Your saying I made that up? No.....you said it! *(see above)*

If so, poor country. But the country is not poor, so you are the exact opposite of what you think you are. You think you're such a great American

I dont think, I know......my country is great. In fact, we've done more for humanity and the world in the last 50 years then yours has in all its history.

but you're a shame for your country and the ideals that make the whole spirit about

What in gods name are you talking about? Please tell me what my country is about? From Berlin, or wherever.....I bet you know more than I do

See, its this kind of narrow-minded view of the world that help people like OBL and hitler

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
most importantly: why doesn't the US government seek the responsible but seeks to prove their scapegoat is the one everyone's looking for?

Yes, because as anyone with any sense knows, the US government is resposible for every bad thing that ever happens.

[Ecthy]

never mind, faded glory, the last phrase in your post should suffice for anyone who follows this thread to realize who the narrow-minded oen is...

Caligastia, my point was that all are so fixed on OBL despite there are so many others who might be guitly just as well...

Of course, if you think about it, it seems sensible, because the US government surely knows the danger just as well, so they should know what they're doing, but since there's no publicly shown proof, it is hard to trust. And I have a hard time trusting in another country's government, even trusting in my own's..