Remembering the Nanjing Massacre

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, the (seemingly) forgotten massacre. It is a shame that not many people in the West know about it. Also would explain why a strong Japan might make the rest of East Asia a bit uneasy.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Dissident
the U.S. felt guilty about committing atrocities against the japanese. that is one of my theories.

my other theory is the U.S. at the time had little regard for chinese people due to them not being white.

But enough of that. It is important to remember this. If the japanese won't teach this in schools, it is all the more important to remember this, so the truth gets out.

I doubt this!!!

First of all, isnt it China's duty to demand reparations after the war? Second.....We never committed any atrocities. Oh......unless Hiroshima? That we had to do!


UR: The reason the Emperor wasnt arrested or put on trial was for 2 reasons.

1) The Emperor did not make military/political decisions. That was left to Tojo. (or so I think)

2) MacArthur (god bless him, a true patriot) wanted to use the emperor as a puppet.

[Natan]

I agree with everything said in this topic so far. It was really shameful when the Japanese prime minister laid a wreath (or did he just threaten to, I can't recall now) at the tomb of war criminals.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Natan
I agree with everything said in this topic so far. It was really shameful when the Japanese prime minister laid a wreath (or did he just threaten to, I can't recall now) at the tomb of war criminals.

Agree.........


Question: Does Germany pay its veterans from World War 2 ? Honor them? Etc.......

I know germany took great pride in there luftwaffe (even today!). As they should of, in that instance.

[KrazyHorse]

I don't see why Germany shouldn't pay and honour the veterans of the regular armed forces during WWII.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I don't see why Germany shouldn't pay and honour the veterans of the regular armed forces during WWII.

I agree...but I have asked the question. So I dont know.


I know certain units like the Africa Corp and Luftwaffe definetaly should be serparated from the S.S.

Rommel was, against hitlers orders, extremely nice to captured British Pow's. I suppose you heard about the story of the Hospital? Where the Italian troops were about to burn it down with a bunch of wounded UK soldier inside. He stopped them, and called german docters in to treat them.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I don't see why Germany shouldn't pay and honour the veterans of the regular armed forces during WWII.

I'm conflicted about this. First of all, almost each and every adult German during WWII was complicit in Nazi atrocities due to their inaction. Then again, they did die, and they should be remembered. Most of them were just normal people. But is remembering their deaths remembering them or remembering what they fought for?

[KrazyHorse]

Remembering them. I agree that German society as a whole was responsible for what happened, but I don't see the major difference between, say, the average Russian soldier and the average German soldier. If we're going to remember veterans of suh wars as the Zulu wars, etc., I don't see why German soldiers from WWII don't qualify. The war was wrong, but as soldiers they were doing their duty. Those who obeyed blatantly immoral orders should be reviled, but those that didn't should be treated with respect and remembrance for the danger they put themselves in.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by faded glory
1) The Emperor did not make military/political decisions. That was left to Tojo. (or so I think)

Not true.

2) MacArthur (god bless him, a true patriot) wanted to use the emperor as a puppet.

True.

Hirohito played a large part in Japan's prosecution of the war. MacArthur and others covered up Hirohito's role in order to use him as a puppet.

[KrazyHorse]

Tojo played fall guy for the emperor. Hirohito was pretty much fully informed about details of Japan's war plans.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Remembering them. I agree that German society as a whole was responsible for what happened, but I don't see the major difference between, say, the average Russian soldier and the average German soldier. If we're going to remember veterans of suh wars as the Zulu wars, etc., I don't see why German soldiers from WWII don't qualify. The war was wrong, but as soldiers they were doing their duty. Those who obeyed blatantly immoral orders should be reviled, but those that didn't should be treated with respect and remembrance for the danger they put themselves in.

please

you don't honor soldiers no matter how innocent they are for capturing/bombing whatever other countries without provocation by them.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by paiktis22
please

you don't honor soldiers no matter how innocent they are for capturing other countries without provocation by them.

But is remembering them because they're dead indistinguishable from honoring their deeds?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Goingonit


But is remembering them because they're dead indistinguishable from honoring their deeds?

I don't know. How would a french, dutch,danish,greek,italian, polish, serbian, american, british, russian would feel if Germany remembered/honored the people who killed his/hers grandfathers in the most monstruous war of all?

[Natan]

When you consider the extent of German atrocities, particularly on the Eastern front where most soldiers served at least for a while, it's hard to view German soldiers as just like any others.

[KrazyHorse]

you don't honor soldiers no matter how innocent they are for capturing/bombing whatever other countries without provocation by them

Whatever.