War on Afghanistan Kills as many as 9-11

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Mark L
3000 innocent Americans killed -> huge outcry
3500 innocent Afghans killed -> nobody cares

War isn't a clean affair and innocents will suffer in any conflict, Mark L. To think it can be otherwise is to be hopelessly out of touch with reality.

Can anyone recommend a good aid agency (besides the International Red Cross, where my last donation went)?

This might be a good place to start your search: http://www.gospelcom.net/ia/giving/frames/gift.htm

[rah]

A good point Mark. (It never pleases me to say that)

The actual number keeps going down. After 3 months of exhaustive checking and crosschecking lists and examining actual remains, the number is coming down and is hopefully more acurate.

I guess the lesson here is that we shouldn't believe any quick assessments and should give considerable time for these types of numbers to be verified. The actual numbers could be dramatically lower.

Thanks for that reminder Mark.

RAH

[Saint Marcus]

War isn't a clean affair and innocents will suffer in any conflict, Mark L.

The 3000 americans are victims of the war as well. So what's the difference?

This might be a good place to start your search: http://www.gospelcom.net/ia/giving/frames/gift.htm

Thanks

[Saint Marcus]

Thanks for that reminder Mark.

Merci

[orange]

Is this only civilian casualties? I'm getting mixed messages about what the data refers to.

[drake]

the number of dead americans isnt verified either, since the number is still dropping. it started at 6500, now it's already at 3000.

And you don't think this leftist, obviously anti-US website might be exaggerating a tad too mark?

I'm sure civilians died, and it sucks. It does. But this site referenced, suggests civilians were directly targeted. Which is utter crap.

If taliban set up shop within civilian populations, and did nothing to evacuate the civilians in surrounding areas, who really is to blame? The evacuation of civilian populations in areas that are potential targets is the common sense thing to do, wouldn't you think?

This war was a war that needed to be fought, one way or another, by us, britain or whoever. And no matter who conducted the lead strikes, there would have been civilian casualties. It is my guess, that since US military technology is the most sophisticated in the world, that it did better at minimizing civilian deaths than any other country could have. What do you think?

[Dis]

uhh am I missing something here?

doesn't anyone see a difference between 3000 dead americans and 3000 dead afghans? No I'm not talking about race, dont' jump to conclusion.

I'm talking about the way they were killed. 3000 were killed intentionally, 3000 were killed accidently.

I like to think if we really wanted to kill innocent afghans we could have surpassed the 1 million persons mark by now.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by rah
A good point Mark. (It never pleases me to say that)

To bad you said that Rah, because the truth is the number of still missing is 3,000+, and the number of dead recovered is 1500.

[Kyle]

I'm not denying or accepting these numbers, but I do know that Dawn is not a good source for anything. They regularly use OP/Ed pieces as though they were news articles and throw opinion and bias in most of their articles.

[RUFFHAUS 8]

No, Mark L. It isn't like you said at all, you pompous ass!

This isn't about making things "right." No one ever said that. This is about kiling the bastards that did this in the first place and making sure that they never do it again.

Maybe that turn the other cheek crap flies in whatever commie-paradise (must be France) you call home, but it doesn't here. Well, now that Bubba's threw bangin' Monica, Paula, and Kathleen, it doesn't fly here anymore.

[drake]

I like to think if we really wanted to kill innocent afghans we could have surpassed the 1 million persons mark by now.

Well of course. Couldve killed all of em. Easy. We also could have refused to send in hundreds of millions of dollars in food aid.

If the US was after civilians, they would all be history. But it wasn't. Never was.

I'm talking about the way they were killed. 3000 were killed intentionally, 3000 were killed accidently.

Murder1 and manslaughter are two very different things yes.

[orange]

Originally posted by Dissident
uhh am I missing something here?

doesn't anyone see a difference between 3000 dead americans and 3000 dead afghans? No I'm not talking about race, dont' jump to conclusion.

I'm talking about the way they were killed. 3000 were killed intentionally, 3000 were killed accidently.

I like to think if we really wanted to kill innocent afghans we could have surpassed the 1 million persons mark by now.

I think 3,000 accidental death's is embarassing for a nation that is as technologically advanced as we're supposed to be. If we're upset at the innocent deaths of the WTC victims, then we should be just as upset at the deaths of innocent Afghans.

[Stefu]

quote from the article
Al Jazeera; and a variety of other reputable sources

Yes, it's a blatant cut-and-paste misquoting, but still rather illuminative.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Mark L
The 3000 americans are victims of the war as well. So what's the difference?

A) Not all of them were Americans.

B) We have the ability to end the organization responsible for the purposeful murder of thousands of civilians.

Thanks

Welcome.

I sure wish I got paid enough that I'd be able to give up an entire month's pay to what I considered a worthy cause.

[orange]

Originally posted by RUFFHAUS 8
No, Mark L. It isn't like you said at all, you pompous ass!

This isn't about making things "right." No one ever said that. This is about kiling the bastards that did this in the first place and making sure that they never do it again.

Maybe that turn the other cheek crap flies in whatever commie-paradise (must be France) you call home, but it doesn't here. Well, now that Bubba's threw bangin' Monica, Paula, and Kathleen, it doesn't fly here anymore.

MarkL is Dutch.

The bastards that did this are already dead. The majority of the bastards that funded them are not dead yet. I'd say we probably have killed more innocent Afghans in this war than Taliban or terrorist supporters.