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    Summary:3,500 Civilians Killed in Afghanistan by U.S. Bombs. University of New Hampshire Economics Professor Releases Study of Civilian Casualties in Afghanistan Monday Morning on Democracy Now! Radio/TV Show

    At least 3500 Afghani Civilians KIlled by US Bombs!

    DURHAM, NEW HAMPSHIRE - December 10 - More than 3,500 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan by U.S. bombs, according to a study to be released December 10 by Marc W. Herold, Professor of Economics, International Relations, and Women's Studies at the University of New Hampshire. Professor Herold will announce his findings on Monday, December 10 in a discussion with award-winning journalist, Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! in Exile's War and Peace Report http://www.democracynow.org

    **Link to the DN! Radio Report: http://stream.realimpact.org/rihurl....210.ra&start=\"9:53.7\"

    Professor Herold has been gathering data on civilian casualties since October 7 by culling information from news agencies, major newspapers, and first-hand
    accounts. "I decided to do the study because I suspected that the modern weaponrywas not what it was advertised to be. I was concerned that there
    would be significant civilian casualties caused by the bombing, and I was able to find some mention of casualties in the foreign press but almost nothing in the U.S. press," said Herold.

    Herold\'s data is available at: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mwherold/ (On MS Excel spread sheet format) or
    MS Word Format: http://www.democracynow.org/thndtrmb.doc

    For each day since October 7, when the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan began, he lists the number of casualties, location, type of weapon used, and source(s)
    of information. Following are several examples from his daily calculations:

    * On October 11, two U.S. jets bombed the mountain village of Karam, comprised of 60 mud houses, during dinner and evening prayer time, killing
    100-160 people. Sources: DAWN, (English language Pakistani daily newspaper), the Guardian of London, the Independent, International Herald Tribune, the
    Scotsman, the Observer, and the BBC News.

    * On October 13, in the early morning, an F-18 dropped 2,000 lb. JDAM bombs on the Qila Meer Abas neighborhood, 2 kms. South of the Kabul airport,
    killing four people. Sources: Afghan Islamic Press, Los Angeles Times, Frontier Post, Pakistan Observer, the Guardian of London, and the BBC News.

    * On October 31, in a pre-dawn raid, an F-18 dropped a 2,000 lb. JDAM bomb on a Red Crescent clinic, killing 15 - 25 people. Sources: DAWN, the Times of London, the Independent, the Guardian, Reuters, Associated Press, and Agence France Presse.

    Professor Herold has sought whenever possible to cross-corroborate accounts of civilian casualties. He relied upon British, Canadian, and Australian
    newspapers; Indian newspapers, especially The Times of India; three Pakistani daily newspapers; the Singapore News; Afghan Islamic Press; Agence France
    Press; Pakistan News Service; Reuters; BBC News Online; Al Jazeera; and a variety of other reputable sources, including the United Nations and other
    relief agencies.

    The Pentagon has repeatedly denied reports of civilian casualties in Afghanistan, and most U.S. media outlets have qualified their reports of casualties with the statement "could not be independently confirmed." But Professor Herold has been able to confirm the number of casualties and has found that the number is climbing toward 4,000. "People have to know that there is a human cost to war, and that this is a war with thousands of casualties," said Herold. "These were poor people to begin with, and, on top of that, they had absolutely nothing to do with the events of September 11."
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    And?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #3
      good we accomplished our objective then

      revenge is a dish best served cold.

      I was kidding of course

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      • #4


        "dozens of casualties"
        "50-200 casualties"
        "countless casualties"
        "5-25 casualties"

        I am overwhelmed by the accuracy of some of these reports!
        I see the world through bloodshot eyes
        Streets filled with blood from distant lies.

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        • #5


          Come on, admit it, your a Che DL, right?

          I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
          i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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          • #6
            Granted, any loss of civ. lives is not good. I'd hate to think what the numbers would be if we weren't concerned about that.

            But a few questions.

            1. Were these all really civilians. (I would be also interested in seeing the number of combatants killed.)

            2. How many of these deaths were do to faulty targeting, malfunctions, or resulted from baiting by the Taliban. (i.e. useing civilians as human shields when hiding their military equipment.

            3. Since I'm at work, I can't download the specifics.
            And more summaries? The examples listed don't seem to account for anywhere near that many.

            RAH
            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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            • #7
              Who is it said; 'war is the greatest form of birth control' ?
              A witty quote proves nothing. - Voltaire

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chris 62


                Come on, admit it, your a Che DL, right?

                Worse, he's the webmaster of the Marxist-Humanist Forum Homepage.

                I refute it thus!
                "Destiny! Destiny! No escaping that for me!"

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                • #9
                  Don't worry about the checking the references. Its from a totally extreme left site for kids that need something to be angry about.

                  Don't ask joe questions about the validity of the sources, or what the numbers actually mean. That would entail him having to do something other than regurgitating what his lefty web sites tell him!
                  I see the world through bloodshot eyes
                  Streets filled with blood from distant lies.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Goingonit


                    Worse, he's the webmaster of the Marxist-Humanist Forum Homepage.

                    You serious?

                    Yeah, from his posts so far, it would fit.

                    Hail the heros of Oktober!

                    Long live the prolatariat!

                    Powerer to the people!

                    I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                    i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                    • #11
                      3000 innocent Americans killed -> huge outcry
                      3500 innocent Afghans killed -> nobody cares

                      3000 dead Americans = wrong
                      3500 dead Afgans = wrong

                      Bush and others: wrong+wrong=right


                      Sad


                      After hearing this I guess I'm gonna donate yet another months salary to the Afghan refugees. Can anyone recommend a good aid agency (besides the International Red Cross, where my last donation went)?
                      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                      • #12
                        3000 innocent Americans killed -> verified
                        3500 innocent Afghans killed -> not verified
                        I see the world through bloodshot eyes
                        Streets filled with blood from distant lies.

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                        • #13
                          Payback's a b!tch, ain't it?
                          Last edited by RUFFHAUS 8; December 11, 2001, 16:38.
                          What is best in life? Crush your enemy! See him driven before you. And to hear the lamentation of his women.

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                          • #14
                            the number of dead americans isnt verified either, since the number is still dropping. it started at 6500, now it's already at 3000.
                            Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                            • #15
                              Payback's a *****, ain't it?
                              like I said, many believe wrong+wrong equals right.
                              Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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