Growing up to be right-wing/conservative

[drake]

Does that mean you don't vote since no independent candidate will agree with your ideas of right and wrong either?

All i stated berzerker, is that no party will ever be without fault. Everyones agenda has holes in it. Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians. No group can always please everyone, and that includes me.

I am just saying I will vote for the best man, in whichever party they hapen to be. If they're republican, so be it. If they're a democrat, so be it. It doesn't matter to me. I will vote for the candidates who best represent my ideas at different stages in my life. Voting for someone just because they're a republican or just because they're a libertarian or in the green party is ridiculous. I don't like being lumped into groups like sheep. If someone wants a vote of mine, they're gonna have to work for it. I'm not a patsy for anyone.

I didn't vote for gore or bush in the last presidential election, because honestly, I didn't think either had a very strong case to earn my vote and I was quite indifferent. Having the right to vote is wonderful, but in cases where someone doesnt feel strongly one way or another, whats the point?

[Garth Vader]

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I get more and more sick of the selfish, greedy right wing ideas every day.



So my desire to keep what I earn with my labor is greed while your desire to forcibly take it by threatening my life is virtuous?


I was actually referring to things like the airline bailout. The companies get millions of tax money and then lay off tens of thousands. I realize that all governments seem to like corporate welfare, but the right seems to be more "pro corporation".

But since you seem to be referring to taxation, I think that since society provides you a stability that allows you to earn with your labor you should provide back to society in order to keep that stability.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Infatuation
My facts are always on the right side.

Giancarlo? Is that you?

[Caligastia]

I dont consider myself to be either left-wing or right-wing, but I have noticed that in the last few years some of my left-wing positions have changed. I agree that the terms "left-wing" and "right-wing" are inadequate to really describe in detail how you feel on a particular issue, but at least you can get a rough idea of what someone thinks.

My politics are influenced by what I think would benefit the most people. I dont make up my mind on an issue by looking at my own self-interest. I just want what works the best.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I wouldn't say that there's a set trend towards right-wing politics, resulting from age and early-onset Alzheimer's disease. I'd say that it's more of a trend away from radical politics on both sides of the spectrum. In all my years of throwing things at the BNP I've noticed one of my missiles ricocheting off a zimmer frame.

[Faboba]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Giancarlo? Is that you?

Nah, if Nimmy were really Giancarlo it would have read "My facts is always on the right side"

[Seeker]

"everyone on the left and right is ignorant or deceitful?"

You got it, first time! The notion of 'right' or 'left' is a mental box that people put themselves into so they don't have to think, IMO.

BTW, a good policy for the nation should, by definition, be positive for the citizens of that nation, so I don't see your point...?

Now there are ideologies which are specific, they actually exist, for example Nationalism vs. Globalism/Internationalism.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
and libertarians, as we all know, are hideous social misfits who just want to be (and surely should be) left alone.

I don't think Libertarians want to be left alone per se. I'm a Libertarian and I like people. Libertarians want to limit government to what should be its truly legitimate powers. Common defense, a court system to adjudicate disputes, etc. etc. etc.

In some ways, the real measure of politics should be: do you hold beliefs that are immediately disadvantageous to you because you believe they are good for society as a whole?

That's why I am a Libertarian. It would be much more advantageous for me to support a system which transferred wealth from those richer than me to me. I just don't believe government extortion is best for society. Nor do I believe a group of elitists (elected or not) should determine an individuals morality etc etc etc.

If so, your politics may just be an actual politics, and not just a whiny list of demands.

Now you sound like a Libertarian.

[Seneca]

It's been quite heart-warming watching my father become more and more socially liberal as he gets older - he's a baptist minister, and his intrinsic humanity disallows him from condemning all the people he comes in contact with, especially when they share that humanity.

And he hates poverty and inequality with a vengenge that only grows with the years - he da man!

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Seneca

And he hates poverty and inequality with a vengenge that only grows with the years - he da man!

Ah, it warms my heart to hear the joys of other capitalists. May he carry the torch for many years to come.

[Seneca]

Actually, one of his pet hates is the notion that free-market capitalism breeds opportunity and equality, so if you see him with a torch, I'd get the f*ck out of the way if I were you....

[KrazyHorse]

[Hoek]

Liberal: proponents of change
-the etemology of the word implies a proponent of freedom--eg "Liberty"

Conservative: opponents of change

Definitionally, the Right-Wing in the United States are actually liberals. By trying to change the status-quo of separation of church and state, reduce government size, and cut welfare programs while giving tax cuts to the rich, they are trying to implement change, not stop it. International politics ideologies do not lend themselves to the same definitions as are used for domestic politics. The three main types are: isolationist, realist, and "liberal." There are domestic "conservatives" who are internationally "liberal" in that they propose tax cuts, etc. domestically, but support organizations like the UN, the WTO and such. "Liberals" could also be "realist" in that they support welfare programs but are suspicious of international cooperation. Isolationism just believes that a state should keep to itself as much as possible and reduce international contacts to a minimum.

Left and Right Wings vary from country to country (and there are deep cleavages even between these wings). In the U.S., there are personal liberty lefties who are economic righties. I take on a more constructivist approach...I do not adhere to any overarching political philosophy. For instance, I am anti-abortion, I support Free Trade, and support cutting money to special interests. However, I am also generally anti-death penalty, pro-environment, pro-drug legalization, and I support more accountability in the private sector. Generally, anyone who adheres to a particular ideology does so to reduce the thought that would go into determining their opinion of particular issues. Instead, they go with the flock of ideogauges. Instead of judging the merits of a particular policy, adherents to an ideology just look up what someone else thinks about it. It ends up being a significant obstacle to good policy in the United States.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Seneca
Actually, one of his pet hates is the notion that free-market capitalism breeds opportunity and equality, so if you see him with a torch, I'd get the f*ck out of the way if I were you....

Well then I can only assume that he'd be off to burn the money in the collection basket donated by his poor and beleagured congregation. That or the tax exemption status of his church.

Two cheers to him!

[Seneca]

Er - he actually barely lives above what I'd consider subsistence level, and raised four children on it. And he still manages to donate time and money to charity. True, his income comes from contributions from the church, but it's not like that's not voluntary. And the church income may be tax exempt, but his personal income sure isn't...

But you obviously know loads about my own relatives that I don't...