For the defeatist wimps who said "it will be another Vietnam!"...

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
That is my statement before this Committee. (That is what it seems)

You are the one judging people, and claiming that gays are sub-human.



I agree, Kropotkin. It really is sad.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Osweld



You are the one judging people, and claiming that gays are sub-human.

Fine, I will stop.

I agree, Kropotkin. It really is sad.

I'll change.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I'll change.

#I CAN CHANGE I CAN CHAAAAAAANGE, I KNOW I'VE BEEN A SANDY LITTLE BUTTHOLE... #

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Zykla (or whatever), oh you're soo brave. Sitting infront of a screen miles away from any war or the people you're calling wimps. You're sp brave.

Loser.

THEY HAVE A BOARD WITH A NAIL IN IT, WE CAN'T FIGHT AGAINST THAT IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY

IT WILL BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!!! THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING, IT WILL BE ANOTHER VIETNAM!!!

[Alexander's Horse]

Wait a minute - this isn't over by a long stroke. I predicted the terrorists would head for the hills. Nothing to apologise for here.

[Vandal-1]

It is only early in terms of what this conflict not war is about the opposition exist by virtue of evasion and ignorance we have nt touched the core of this highly organized agency or its cadres when the next outrage occurss I ll ask for your apology as this is but one weed in the garden of Islam.

[MORON]

ok, I'm sorry I doubted the US.....

[Alexander's Horse]

There is no doubt the U.S. is sinking into a morass in the Middle East - winning militarily but losing politically. Since, as Clausewitz pointed out, military activity must serve political aims. You are losing - BIG TIME.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


There is no doubt the U.S. is sinking into a morass in the Middle East - winning militarily but losing politically. Since, as Clausewitz pointed out, military activity must serve political aims. You are losing - BIG TIME.

"Morass" Damn - I was hoping you would say quagmire.

There is a political aim being served here. "Any government that harbors terrorists will be not remain in power." We said it and we're showing the world we mean it.

We've been at this for about 2 months now. 1 down about 7 or 8 to go. (Assuming that after 2 or 3 are down that the others won't fall into line)

The coalition is still in place (even though weaker nations may drop out later), there haven't been anymore foriegn terrorist attacks against the US (though there probably will be in the future), even Yassir Arafat has been put into a position to address terrorists within Palestine (even if it is only for show).

We are losing - BIG TIME? Laughable. We started winning this inevetible battle on Sept 11. That's when terrorists woke up America on our own shores and showed us just how bad terrorism could be if left unchecked.

Americans realize, finally, that this isn't someone elses problem. This isn't something that the "crazy societies" do to each other while we watch movies. I know some willl bring up the embassies and the Cole, but it never really registered with America until Sept 11. Just as Japanese atrocities in China never registered until Pearl Harbor was hit. That may be a strength or weakness. That is debatable. But it is a fact, just as this is a fact: America has NEVER lost a war it felt it NEEDED to win. And we've fought a lot worse than this crowd.

[Alexander's Horse]

You doth protest too much.

All the threads claiming America is winning have had a desperate tone to them - like deep down you know it isn't true.

[chequita guevara]

Actually, it could have been rather bloody for us, except after getting smacked around on the Oct. 20, raid, we decided to back the NA instead, and let them do all our fighting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,588580,00.html

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
You doth protest too much.

All the threads claiming America is winning have had a desperate tone to them - like deep down you know it isn't true.

Yes, desperate. That's the only way America can truly feel when Mullah Omar surrenders whilst pathetically begging for his life. We'll be in sorrowful tears when BinLaden/Hussein/Qadafi's head is on a pike at Times Square

[DinoDoc]

Are you the Fabled Newsman?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
There is no doubt the U.S. is sinking into a morass in the Middle East - winning militarily but losing politically. Since, as Clausewitz pointed out, military activity must serve political aims. You are losing - BIG TIME.

This thread is really starting to remind me of this article. Especially Horsie's contributions.

All-Negative, All the Time

By Michael Kelly
Wednesday, November 14, 2001; Page A33


"Good evening, and welcome to 'All Is Lost,' the nightly public affairs program produced by National Public Radio and the British Broadcasting Corp. Tonight we discuss what has been called America's war against terror. I am your host, Perfectly Modulated Voice of Reason.

"With me, in our Washington studio, are: Fabled Newsman Who Was There When Saigon Fell . . . Scientifically Trained Impartial Scholar . . . and Bureau Chief of Second-Rate Regional Monopoly Newspaper Who Is Desperate to Be Hired by the New York Times. From London, we are joined by our European affairs analyst, Loathes America and Prays for Its Swift Destruction.

"First, today's war news. Tens of thousands of Afghans in liberated Kabul greeted President George W. Bush with wild cheers and much waving of American flags. The mayor of Kabul, in a traditional gesture of welcome, presented President Bush with the head of Osama bin Laden on a pike. Accepting the gaily decorated head, Mr. Bush quipped: 'This shall not stand -- at least not without this handy pike!' Meanwhile, across the Middle East, news of the so-called allied victory in Afghanistan appeared to be producing remarkable changes in the political dynamic. Radical Islamic fundamentalism, as Western critics perhaps unfairly call it, seemed under attack. . . .

"In Iran, tens of thousands of men lined up at barber shops for shaves and Western-style haircuts, with the majority favoring the 'mullet' look, which is popular, we are informed, with young men in some American regions where we have actually never been. . . . In Iraq, President Saddam Hussein remained for the fifth day under siege in his summer palace as hundreds of thousands of students gathered outside chanted, 'Hey hey, ho ho, the Great and Maximum Leader for Life has got to go.' . . .

"The governments of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait pledged today to develop armies sufficient to protect themselves without American assistance, pointing out that it was wrong to ask the United States to shoulder the burden of defending their wholly corrupt oligarchies. In Israel, newly appointed tourism minister Yasser Arafat announced a new policy of 'peace at any cost.' Saying 'I must have been meshugenah,' Arafat declared: 'Of course, Jerusalem must be the capital of the Jewish homeland, any fool can see that.'

"Gentleman, given all this, the question is obvious -- Is there any reason to even go on?"

Chorus: "No . . . no . . . utterly hopeless . . . doomed . . . repudiation of entire U.S. strategy. . . . A colossal failure . . . no hope."

Perfectly Modulated: "Scientifically Trained, why doomed?"

Scientifically Trained: "Well, it is important to put all this into context. In the Islamic world, things are never what they seem. As the great Hashemite warrior Abdullah the Less Than Brilliant expressed it, 'The victory of my enemy is my victory.' This is how this week's events will be seen in what I like to call the Arab street -- as a prelude and a catalyst to a great uprising against American interests, led by an entire new generation of martyrs inspired to jihad by U.S. belligerence."

Perfectly Modulated: "Fabled Newsman, what says the view from inside the Beltway?"

Fabled Newsman: "Been there. Best and brightest. Tet. Vietnamization. No light at the end of the tunnel."

Perfectly Modulated: "And would you go so far as to say . . . "

Fabled Newsman: "Yes. Absolutely: Quagmire. Quagmire. Quagmire. Quagmire. Waist deep in the Big Muddy. Quagmire."

Perfectly Modulated: "Desperate to be Hired by The Times, what's your take?"

Desperate to be Hired: "Whatever Fabled Newsman said goes double for me. With bells on. You bet. Count me in. Ditto."

Perfectly Modulated: "Now let's go to our European analyst, Loathes America, for the insight from over there. Loathes, what is the mood of Europe tonight?"

Loathes America: "Bleak, of course. And properly so. I mean, one does not wish to say that this debacle is what America deserves for its arrogance, its vulgarity, its bullying ways -- well, actually one does wish to say it, doesn't one rather? Really, one just hates America. Really, one always has, ever since one was just a little chap."

Perfectly Modulated: "Thank you, Loathes America. A valuable insight as always. Gentlemen, last thoughts?"

Scientifically Trained: "Things could hardly be worse."

Loathes America: "Nonsense. That Pollyanna optimism so typical of you naive colonials. Things could always be worse. And will be. Thank God."

Fabled Newsman: "Quag . . . "

Desperate: " . . . mire."

Perfectly Modulated: "And that wraps up another edition of 'All Is Lost.' Good night, and pleasant dreams."

[chequita guevara]

ops:

[Zylka]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
ops:

Yeah, you'd think.