EU should bomb Israel and tell americans to mind their own business

[Faboba]

Originally posted by David Floyd

when it comes down to it virtually every group has gotten treated like **** at some point in time.

"He speaks the truth, excellency."

Or to be more accurate; 'when it comes down to it vitually every group have treaten others like ****'.

The human race is designed with the superiority complex in order to encourage aggression and keep down the numbers.

[David Floyd]

Faboba - exactly...that's why I don't cry to much over the plight of the Jews. Sure, the Holocaust was horrible, but just read the Old Testament if you want to see some examples of Jews inflicting atrocities on others.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by David Floyd
If you wanna be REAL technical, Chris, the Jews are the ones who invaded what they refer to as the Holy Land - "the land of milk and honey" and all that...fought the Canaanites, Menonites, Amorites, etc., thousands of years ago.

Shouldn't go back that far, because jews can use God's promise to Adam as proof the ENTIRE world belongs to the jews.
As for who has a stronger claim on Israel, the Jews or the Pals, the Jews win hands down.
They tried to live in peace.
The Pals don't.
They teach that the future will be better.
The Pals teach their children that the Jews are sub human and must be destroyed.
The Jews tried to live by the 67 borders.
The Pals say they want to drive the Jews into the sea.
In 1900, there were few people living in Palestine, and the mix was almost even between Jews, Islamics and Christians, so jetizen the notion that WWII was the spur for Zionism, it was the Dreyfuss affair that sparked the international movement.

So let's not shed too many tears for the Jews...sure they got treated like ****, then again they treated other people like ****, and when it comes down to it virtually every group has gotten treated like **** at some point in time.

No group of people have been systimatically mistreated as they have been, by all around them through history.

And what's Ouza? What's the a/c in it? Never heard of it.

Powerful Greek alcohol.
I forget the blends, but it will knock you on your ass.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Faboba - exactly...that's why I don't cry to much over the plight of the Jews. Sure, the Holocaust was horrible, but just read the Old Testament if you want to see some examples of Jews inflicting atrocities on others.

Anti-semitism is quite unbecoming.

More jews died in the Holocaust than in all the wars in history before the 20th century.

Best find a different analogy, your starting to sound like alot of the Jew baiters on this forum.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by paiktis22
And president Arafat is a charismatic leader, a hero trying to save small children from the clutches of a fascist state.

He will live in history as one of the great ones.

Are you talking about this guy. Looks more like one of those guys from the 80's that ran around highjacking planes and killing Jewish atheletes.

[faded glory]

EU/NATO without america could never pull somthing like that off. As Sirot said.....America would gun u down before your planes reached Israeli airspace .

Of course...then the IDF could be free to bomb Europe (go get em' )

I think in reality...America would most definetaly fight alongside Israel to the last. Without a doubt.....If 100,000,000 Arabs attacked Israel tommorrow. We promise to evacuate you to Cyprus the next day

[David Floyd]

Shouldn't go back that far, because jews can use God's promise to Adam as proof the ENTIRE world belongs to the jews.

Wouldn't quite call that proof

As for who has a stronger claim on Israel, the Jews or the Pals, the Jews win hands down.

Most of the Jews who currently live in Israel either weren't born there, or were born to parents who weren't born there. The vast majority, I'd imagine. So really, it's a state being set up to pander to a specific religion because they got mistreated. In return, they get to mistreat people from another religion

Anti-semitism is quite unbecoming.

More jews died in the Holocaust than in all the wars in history before the 20th century.

Best find a different analogy, your starting to sound like alot of the Jew baiters on this forum.

I'm not anti-semitic. I'm anti-Israel. I also don't have a whole lot of patience for people who believe that Jews are blameless and for some reason deserve a homeland. And I didn't see you deny that, according to the Old Testament, Jews inflicted horrible atrocities on others.

And I'm sure more Jews died in the Holocaust than in any other war in history. So did more Russians. For that matter, Stalin killed more Ukrainians than ever died in the history of war. Mao killed more Chinese. So what? Should the friends or descendants of those killed get their own homeland carved out of the worst imaginable spot? Because if religion and oppression are good reasons, then political differences and oppression must be equally good, eh?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Anti-semitism is quite unbecoming.

So is race-baiting.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by David Floyd
. And I didn't see you deny that, according to the Old Testament, Jews inflicted horrible atrocities on others.

"According"

Its a known fact Israel drove out the Caanite's with relative ease, depite being outnumbered 6-1. But who didnt commit atrocities back then You cant blame them for somthing they did 5,000 years ago.

I'm anti-Israel. I also don't have a whole lot of patience for people who believe that Jews are blameless and for some reason deserve a homeland

Sorry......let the poor fellows live Stop blaming every earthquake,plague, and economic downturn on the Jews.

Throughout history they have been hassled and perscuted by people like you...leave them alone dude! Israel is here to stay.....from the dead sea to the E. Med. Every inch of it is rightfully theres...

[David Floyd]

"According"

Its a known fact Israel drove out the Caanite's with relative ease, depite being outnumbered 6-1. But who didnt commit atrocities back then You cant blame them for somthing they did 5,000 years ago.

Fine. So stop bringing up stuff about Jews being **** on by others. Let's look at the situation as it is now, without looking at prior history. Oops, doesn't look so good for Israel anymore, now does it?

Sorry......let the poor fellows live Stop blaming every earthquake,plague, and economic downturn on the Jews.

Throughout history they have been hassled and perscuted by people like you...leave them alone dude! Israel is here to stay.....from the dead sea to the E. Med. Every inch of it is rightfully theres...

Sorry, you are reading stuff into my comments that I didn't say. I don't blame Jews for the Depression, or anything else. It's simply that they have hassled and persecuted others plenty themselves, and I'm sick of all these people refusing to accept that Jews or Israel have ever done anything bad.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by Faboba


Good call, I was indeed mistaken.

Go for 'mass-murder of innocent lives' instead, as that is what I meant which you probably knew seeing as you picked up on my incorrect word usage.

I knew what you meant, doesn't mean it's right. Up until the early 70's, it was still 'okay' to inflict mass casulties on your enemy's populace. A way to hurt them and get them to surrender. It had always been that way. Is it right? No, probably not. The rules of warfare have changed and the US is the absolute best at trying to minimize civilian casualties. Unfortunately, accidents happen.

[faded glory]

Ok.....here are some things for you to consider....


1)There has NEVER been a palestinian state
2)Who is starting what and who is responding to what?
3)If Arafat CANNOT control the terrorists in a small.....limited autonomous state. How the hell do you think he can do it in an independant one?

[David Floyd]

1)There has NEVER been a palestinian state

Granted. And they probably don't even need one either. Or at least, they wouldn't, if either Israel disappeared or at the VERY least started treating them fairly and decently. But at this point, if the Jews get their own state, the Palestinians damn well better too.

2)Who is starting what and who is responding to what?

I'd say the whole thing was started by the idiotic idea of a)a Jewish state and b)putting that state where it is now.

3)If Arafat CANNOT control the terrorists in a small.....limited autonomous state. How the hell do you think he can do it in an independant one?

Ah, but if the Palestinians had their state, or if there was no Israel, much of that terrorism would disappear, don't you think?

[faded glory]

Originally posted by David Floyd

I'd say the whole thing was started by the idiotic idea of a)a Jewish state and b)putting that state where it is now.

Well where else would you have put a Jewish state

(Besides what your probably thinking, back into concentrations camps )

[faded glory]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Ah, but if the Palestinians had their state, or if there was no Israel, much of that terrorism would disappear, don't you think?

The fact that you even suggest the latter is very troubling.