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    RACISM and xenophobia would become serious crimes in Britain for the first time, carrying a prison sentence of two years or more, under new proposals put forward by Brussels yesterday.

    Holocaust denial or "trivialisation" of Nazi atrocities would be banned, along with and participation in any group that promotes race hate.

    The plans, drafted by the European Commission, define racism and xenophobia as aversion to individuals based on "race, colour, descent, religion or belief, national or ethnic origin".

    Ordinary crimes would carry heavier penalities if they are motivated in any way by racism or xenophobia, or if the culprit is carrying out "professional activity", such as a police officer. Some of the crimes listed are, broadly speaking, offences under British law already, such as public incitement to violence.

    But the list also a covers a wide range of activities that sometimes fall into the sphere of protected political speech, such as "public insults" of minority groups, "public condoning of war crimes", and "public dissemination of tracts, pictures, or other material containing expressions of racism of xenophobia" - including material posted on far-Right internet websites.

    It was not clear yesterday how the law would affect radical Islamic groups that openly promote anti-Semitic and anti-Christian views.

    Nor was it clear how it would apply to political parties opposed to mass immigration, such as Austria's Freedom Party, Belgium's Vlaams Blok, and the Danish People's Party, all of which have become serious political forces.

    The law could potentially cover many stand-up comedians, and even Anne Robinson, who, during an appearance on BBC television this year, described the Welsh as "irritating".

    The proposals, which will require the unanimous backing of all 15 states, are aimed at ending the patchwork of different laws across the European Union and establishing a common definition that can be used by all judges. The commission appears to have adopted the most restrictive code - Germany's - as the basis for the rest of the EU.

    Leonello Gabrici, the Commission's judicial spokesman, denied that there was any intention of curbing political expression. "This totally respects free speech. It will be up to judges to decide where the balance lies" he said.

    The United Kingdom Independence Party said yesterday that it could be targeted by the new rules, noting that the Oxford English Dictionary definition of xenophobia is "a morbid fear of foreigners or foreign countries".

    Nigel Farage MEP, the party's chairman, said: "I'm morbidly xenophobic about this new country called the European Union, so if that is covered by this law then I'm most certainly xenophobic and I could be extradited anywhere. So I'm going to make sure my overnight bag is packed and ready."
    Ho-hay! Free speech goes whoppsy-daisey! Maybe it's just being exposed to Internet, but I still have some faith in marketplace of ideas and all that. Direct calls for violence are one thing, and should be criminal, but Holocaust denial or opposition to immigration (wrongful beliefs that they are) are wholly another thing. And while racist speech and Holocaust denial are repugnant beliefs, it really doesn't sound very intelligent to make these groups martyrs, does it? And this sounds like it has endless potentials for misuse - as noted in the article.

    The European state. The idea just keeps sounding lovelier and lovelier.
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    "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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    We will accept you, Stefu, should you decide to leave your police state.

    BTW, that isn't the most repugnant law I've seen come out of Europe.
    Last edited by DinoDoc; December 3, 2001, 16:50.
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    • #3
      "a morbid fear of foreigners or foreign countries".
      Does this mean MarkL will lose his computer?



      You guys better hope that you don't turn that place into a giant police state.
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      • #4
        You Euros are going to wake up one of these days and wonder what happened to that lovely dream of an enligtened united Europe. You cannot legislate proper thought. They try over here from time to time and it doesn't work. This will only promote hatred and give them a reason to hate foreigners more.

        Europe is starting to concern me
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        • #5
          Some people are starting to get holier than thou in Europe.

          Germany had a reason to have such strict laws.

          Anyway if you read behind the surface:

          1. it will be difficult to pass this through the council of ministers of the 15 member states.

          2. if it does pass, under which form will it be adopted to the national law of the member states? will it be a direct adoption? very doubt full. It will propably depend on the national states to implement its basic ideals as they see fit

          3. the cases will be trialed in national courts. Not the european court of justice. (there is no such provision - and the european court of human rights has no real power of enforcing anything). This leaves even more prerogative to the states...


          anyway, bad law. Doesn't the US also have such laws that treat race crimes (or hate crimes - don't remember the exact term) differently?
          Last edited by Bereta_Eder; December 3, 2001, 16:55.

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          • #6
            I agree, Spray. They are starting to repeat the patterns of the 20th century that started their two world wars.

            Quite distressing.
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            • #7
              This has to the stupidest thing I have ever heard!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Caligastia
                This has to the stupidest thing I have ever heard!
                Just wait till our friends across the pond start trying to deny this, THAN you will hear what REAL stupidity is!
                Last edited by Chris 62; December 3, 2001, 17:06.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sprayber
                  This will only promote hatred and give them a reason to hate foreigners more.

                  I completely agree.

                  I don't think it will last long or have any effect on countries it doesn't fit to.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Caligastia
                    This has to the stupidest thing I have ever heard!
                    You have not run into to any of the Flat-Eathers recently?
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                    • #11
                      --"Ordinary crimes would carry heavier penalities if they are motivated in any way by racism or xenophobia"

                      Won't this cause most of the population of France major problems?

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                      • #12
                        Crap law.
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                        • #13
                          Have to get back to you, I'm going to see Harry Potter

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola


                            You have not run into to any of the Flat-Eathers recently?
                            Okay, maybe not the stupidest, but its up there...
                            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                            • #15
                              bloody hell I can't believe that law!!

                              The thing is, us EU "citizens" have no say! The bill is devised by the un-elected council.

                              First what I call the "enabling act" in Britain (actuallly the Internment without trial terrorism bill) and now this.

                              So soon you could be interned without trial for speaking out against other European states! YEAH!

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