Should US "Allies" Be Attacked?

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by rev
Let's see, so our country now defines terrorism as an outspoken group of people using violence against a larger group in order to try to coerce political support or activity. Yup, we'd be terrorists.

Incidentally, remove the word larger, and you're/we're terrorists anyway.

[Wiglaf]

Those Brits jumped in without question or without hesitation, to help us out.

I've got nothing but good things to say about our British friends. They are true, unconditional friends.

Why do you think that? They haven't helped in Afghanistan, although evidently they don't have to. People like you watch Blair smiling on camera and think everything's alright. Everything over there and in Canada is motivated solely by politics. If they ever get hit by a plane or something, their troops will be on the front lines all of a sudden.

That's what disgusts me. And, if you call yourself an American, it should disgust you too.

Those who do not aid in ending terrorism (thus, those who help terrorists) are - wait for it - terrorists. And why wouldn't they be?

wiggy's more like the country idiot with this masive display of ignorance and stupidty

Yet another sign that I've won.

[Stefu]

Wiglaf, it is amazing how steadfastly you can ignore one crucial point - There are 6000 British soldiers ready to assist Americans in Afghanistan, but Americans don't want to use them. There are British SAS troops, searching for Bin Laden even now. Then again, you are such an obvious troll, it makes sense you'd ignore anything that could interfere with your trolling.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Yet another sign that I've won.

Yep! The Village idiot lifetime's achievement award...



You even make Bob Doormat look good, which I have to say is an unparalleled achievement!

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Stefu
Wiglaf, it is amazing how steadfastly you can ignore one crucial point - There are 6000 British soldiers ready to assist Americans in Afghanistan, but Americans don't want to use them. There are British SAS troops, searching for Bin Laden even now. Then again, you are such an obvious troll, it makes sense you'd ignore anything that could interfere with your trolling.

What he said.

[Wiglaf]

Wiglaf, it is amazing how steadfastly you can ignore one crucial point - There are 6000 British soldiers ready to assist Americans in Afghanistan, but Americans don't want to use them. There are British SAS troops, searching for Bin Laden even now. Then again, you are such an obvious troll, it makes sense you'd ignore anything that could interfere with your trolling.

BS

I've seen Bush AT THE U.N. demanding more action from allies on all fronts. What I haven't seen is Blair ANYWHERE making noise, asking to send troops in to respond for the 'attack on the UK and the world', or offering any politically dangerous but morally responsible help.

Why? Because the people in the UK and Canada don't want war. It makes them cry, or something, I dunno. In any event, it's all political. And that's what's so disgusting.

[Clear Skies]

I honestly can't believe this thread.

Wiglaf shows everyone exactly what is wrong with the world. Bush has turned down help from so many countries, and now Americans are bemoaning the fact that they aren't getting any assistance!

Maybe we just don't want to participate in any further actions of the USA, and that's our choice. No-one should be able to force us into doing something we don't want to.

Edit: total insanity removed. I realised just how intolerant I sounded my apologies

[Ted Striker]

Thanks for making the rest of us look really bad Wiglaf.

IDIOT



SMAC,

He DOES NOT speak for all Americans. Only for himself.

[Wiglaf]

I don't get it. You say I'm wrong, but when I go to prove my point you can't respond with anything but 'you're an idiot'?

And SMAC, boohoo, learn to argue and weep for the species later.

[Ted Striker]

Me and about 10 other people already proved you wrong moron.

The Brits send 6000 troops, gave access to bases, are assisting with logistical matters. Plus invaluable, steadfast political and intel support. Blair and his people have been all over the place speaking with foreign leaders.

THEY ARE HELPING YOU F UCKING DUMBASS

[History049]

Ted striker , tell me what Wiglaf has posted that is wrong? Making us look bad, since when have Americans cared about what the pansy left wing Eurocoms think? We are independent.

[Ted Striker]

They haven't helped in Afghanistan

Wrong.

What I haven't seen is Blair ANYWHERE making noise, asking to send troops in to respond for the 'attack on the UK and the world', or offering any politically dangerous but morally responsible help.

Wrong.

we ask them for help and all we get are a bunch of useless promises and a couple free missiles.

Wrong.

The QUESTION is Bob: TELL ME WHERE WIGLAF IS RIGHT.

[BeBMan]

Never had so much fun here at poly before...

I think Wiggy is simply confusing some things:

Enemies - these are the bad, bad guys, usually the right target for attacks
Allies - these are the people who are on your side, therefore they are normally not at war with eachother...

But I admit that this is not easy to understand

[Ted Striker]

He is the new King of Trolls, I'll give him that.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by SMAC Fanatic
I honestly can't believe this thread.

This thread, especially Wiglaf, shows everyone exactly what is wrong with the world. Bush has turned down help from so many countries, and now Americans are bemoaning the fact that they aren't getting any assistance!

Maybe we just don't want to participate in any fruther actions of such a blatantly intolerant and evil country as the USA.

I actually think it was the duty of all the countries of the World to stand beside the US for the attack on the WTC and support them, I am also happy to see the Taliban kicked out of power as a result...

What does still need to be addressed are the US policies that caused it to be attacked on Sept 11 and the already concerning 'noises' from the Bush camp that once the Taliban have been militarily defeated in Kandahar and (if) OBL is captured they're going to immediately pack up and take the 1st ship/plane back to the US...

That would be the major crime - it is also something that the UK and the ROW is desperate to stop from happening!

The whole mess of the last couple of decades in Afghanistan has been caused in no small measure by the US in the first place by the CIA first supporting, training and equipping the Mujahideen and then the Islamic fanatics - OBL was created by the US!

Once they'd done their grisly job they left Afghanistan high and dry as a dangerously unstable vacuum - which is in part why Pakistan felt so betrayed by them and acted to create and support the Taliban in order to at least have some kind of control and stability over the anarchy on the other side of a notoriously porous northern frontier.

If the US leaves with seeing it through until the end, Afghanistan will slip back into the same anarchy of the early nineties as the Northern Alliance slowly tears itself apart and new Pashtun Warlords begin to emerge! We're already seeing the signs with the negotiations at Bonn - someone really needs to tell Burhanuddin that he's only President in name...

The UK doesn't want to see this happen, we're in it for the long haul but I seriously doubt we can do it without the US and we are fast losing the opportunity to peacefully insert our troops into NA held areas... We should have had our troops on the ground before the recent sudden successes of the NA! We have to remember that they are little better than the Taliban and therefore IMO cannot be trusted to peacefully accept a solution which would mean an almost total loss of their power...

If we go home without encouraging a truly democratic all-party government into power, we will have failed and the deaths of Sept 11 will have been for nothing!

It is ironic that the longer OBL stays on the run, the more likely we'll approach a peaceful resolution for the government of Afghanistan as the US task force will be forced to stay in place until that time - because if those ships leave the Arabian Sea, they won't be coming back and if I were a disgruntled warlord I'd be biding my time for just such a moment!