A dark day for Denmark - the 20 november 2001

[Bereta_Eder]

Ok, maybe I missunderstood and haven't read carefully the news that were provided.

Who is or will be in power in Denmark now?

The center right, right?

[Bereta_Eder]

ok I read it all from a greek news site.

What are the parliamentary seats of :

the danish people's party
the liberals
the central christian democrats
and the conservatives?

those are the ones that will make the new government right?

[Winston]

Originally posted by paiktis22

What are the parliamentary seats of :

the danish people's party
the liberals
the central christian democrats
and the conservatives?

those are the ones that will make the new government right?

Venstre, Liberals 56
Danish People's Party 22
Conservative People's Party 16
Christian People's Party 4

Social Democrats 52
Socialist People's Party 12
Radikale Venstre, Social Liberals 9
Enhedslisten, Radical Left 4

Also 2 seats each from The Faroes and Greenland for a total of 179.

The new government will be one of Liberals and Conservatives, with the parliamentary support of the Christians and DPP, but naturally without their participation in the actual cabinet.

First time since 1920 that my party, Venstre is the country's largest...

Contrary to popular foreign belief, this general election wasn't decided solely on issues of immigration. Most people here agree that it was also a matter of people wanting reform of the welfare state and that they didn't see the Social Democrats being able to perform such a change.

Plus people finally realised Poul Nyrup Rasmussen was all form and no substance, compared to Anders Fogh.

DPP is anti-EU BTW, so there'll have to be a broad consesus across the centre on that important issue, which should be no problem.

[*End Is Forever*]

paitkis,

So how many Social Democrat governments in EU now?

12 out of 15?

Well...

Spain is centre-right
Denmark is centre-right
Italy is centre-right
Austria is centre-right
UK is centre-right (but centre-left in name only)
Germany and France and centre-left but increasingly moving to the right.

Sweden, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland, Finland, Portugal, Greece and Ireland are irrelevent.

[Bereta_Eder]

When did the UK join the EU?

I was right then. 11 out of 15 EU governments are Social Democratic! (I include the UK in the EU just because it has a 3 way thingy )

[Bereta_Eder]

Ok let's see then.


Center Left EU governments:

France
Germany
Britain
Sweden
Luxembourg
Belgium
Holland
Finland
Portugal
Greece
Ireland

Center right EU governments

Spain
Italy
Denmark
Austria



Ok I'll relax then

But do we know how things were before?

I think at a certain time ALL EU governments were social democratic or center left?

[Winston]

Originally posted by paiktis22

I think at a certain time ALL EU governments were social democratic or center left?

Yes, that period of time is commonly refered to as the Middle Ages. Society has come a long way since then.

[Bereta_Eder]

I thought this was EU's Golden Age?

But now the barbarians just keep on coming No sweat though

[Winston]

All your base are belong to us.

Actually, parliamentarians from my party, Venstre, are sometimes refered to as Vikings.

No kidding. Due to their persistance and durability or something.

[Bereta_Eder]

Re: All your base are belong to us.

Originally posted by Winston
Actually, parliamentarians from my party, Venstre, are sometimes refered to as Vikings.

No kidding. Due to their persistance and durability or something.

Well considering they had to wait more than half of a century to see the light of day I say they've earned it

(when was the previous time they were in power? 1920? )

[Winston]

Heh. They've been in government 1968-71, 1973-75, 1977-79 and 1982-1993 (longest serving cabinet since WWII), plus numerous times in the past.

But this election was a true landslide. Shows what an inept Social Democratic government for 8 years can do for the opposition... I guess they weren't totally useless after all.

Social democrats lost 11 seats, Venstre gained 14, DPP 9, minor fluctuations for the other parties. Quite unheard of here.

[*End Is Forever*]

Calling the Blair government "centre-left" is really clutching at straws.

Interesting to see you didn't refute my calling of most EU countries "irrelevent".

[Bereta_Eder]

EiF, the only irrelevant country in the EU is the UK



Winston,
It's true that the Social Democratic «frenzy» is beggining to fade. But I think it is special for each indivindual country. I don't think it's a trend that social democracy or the left wing is fading. Quite the contrary.

BTW, aren't you uncomfortable that you'll share power with DPP?

[*End Is Forever*]

The left-wing *is* fading. The only reason that there are "centre-left" governments in Germany, France and the UK is because they've had to move so far to the right. "Social democracy" is a dead term anyway - it died in 1977 in the UK for sure, and ironically the fallout from it's demise (the winter of discontent) shifted the UK political spectrum even further to the right. And it hasn't moved back - New Labour only came to power by becoming a Tory party without the bad connotations.

[Bereta_Eder]

It is true that the left wing has moved increasingly to the right. But this mostly applies to financial policies. And still there are concrete differences that separate it from the right wing. (as well numerous other aspects that create a defining difference).

I'm more «left», than your typical Social Democrat (whatever that means in a paneuropean level). So I also am critical of the Social Democratic mainstream.