A dark day for Denmark - the 20 november 2001

[faded glory]

As for the 4 million turks. How much of a percent is that compared to the rest of the population???? 2%?? Not alot.......certainly not enough to trumpet diversity! And even then, German people go nuts about these turks.

[Thue]

Originally posted by DanS
Immigration is an odd proxy issue. Apparently, it was a big issue in the election, but when it comes down to it, wasn't there a deeper argument going on? That's what Saddam is alluding to. You could look at this as a broad rebuke of socialism. In the heart of socialist country, no less! But I prefer to look at it as a healthy democratic sweeping of the stable floor...

In the US, immigration is a ton of mixed up issues, not only partly related with race or racism. So comparing US v. Europe isn't apples-to-apples.

Note that the policy venstre is going to follow would still be called communism in the US, so not really a rebuke of socialism.

[History049]

No, it's just another victory for the Right who are right. You Danes actually might get lower than 90% taxes. Wouldn't that be nice

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Thue


Ökke ökke höj höj! Ökke ökke höj höj!

Translation, please? Even a rough one?

In spite of the globalization of production and capital, today's lifestyles and production methods demand even more depth and quality of empathy than in the past, and this can't be achived through political control and moral indoctrination. Today the solidarity and community spirit in Denmark and other small countries is threadened from many sides. From within by closed and intolerant minorities and from without by the worship of globalization and international financial power.

The Danish People's party encourages increased awareness and unity around those values the Danish society is build on. It is our common responsibility to protect them. Only by doing that can we make our contribution to the development of Denmark and the creation of a more stable and fair world community. [/QUOTE]




faded glory,

in the Netherlands most of the immigration comes from africa and middle eastern countries if I am not mistaken.

actually the high percentage of immigrant people (many of whom now have dutch nationality) in the dutch population has given rise to interesting debates such as: as the dutch population changes will the new people who come from immigrants support the very liberal status of Holland (drug policies) etc.


The germans don't go nuts about the turks. There have been bad incidents by bunch of unemployed, sh!theads sure.

Of course immigration in Europe has no equivalant to the US because the US is in itslef an immigrant country.


European political schematics, ideologies and symbolisms are different than the american ones (who seem oversimplified in my eyes).

[faded glory]

Well 2% of danish GDP goes to Africa/poor countrys. If I were living in Copenhagen Ide be smoked about that. I have to think that the 2% could be used more somehow at home rather than abroad.

Denmark isnt that perfect? is it?

[Thue]

Originally posted by paiktis22

In spite of the globalization of production and capital, today's lifestyles and production methods demand even more depth and quality of empathy than in the past, and this can't be achived through political control and moral indoctrination. Today the solidarity and community spirit in Denmark and other small countries is threadened from many sides. From within by closed and intolerant minorities and from without by the worship of globalization and international financial power.

The Danish People's party encourages increased awareness and unity around those values the Danish society is build on. It is our common responsibility to protect them. Only by doing that can we make our contribution to the development of Denmark and the creation of a more stable and fair world community.

Actually that was the part taken from the nationalists. It is used as an argument that we should cut down on the immigration because those that come do not share our values, and so don't contribute to the mythical perfect Danish community.
When you see some of their other comments it becomes clear that some of their ideas are just paranoid. Some of their comments are quite unacceptable.

It should be noted that everybody seem to agree on helping the rest of the world through foreign aid. The Danish people's party said that we should cut down on immigration of refugees who won't fit in and instead just help them in their own contries.

[Bereta_Eder]

well I agree with that part about globilization.

When speaking about preserving Denmark's ideals I thought they were refering to tolerance of other people.

[Monk]

It's a political disaster which finally convinced me I have to enter politics in some way or another. The third largest party in Denmark, the before mentioned "People's Party", has somehow managed to get away with completely absurd rhetorics. I remember how Camre, the guy who represents them in the European Parlament, made a post-September 11 speech about the evilness of the Muslims, and how he recieved a standing ovation after his conclusion: No mosque shall ever be built on Danish soil. I've never been so embarrased about my country before - I mean, we're talking about a country whose current social democratic gov't already has an immigration policy roughly like that of Jörg Haider, and it still isn't enough. Yikes.

[Thue]

Yes, whenever The People's Party writes something bad about foreigners you should think "muslim".

Actually I to some degree agrees with their political goal of accepting less immigrants and helping more in the near areas. The ressources used to integrate a person (and remember that since we are socialists this is the responsibility of the state) could be better used in their original country.

[Bereta_Eder]

There's nothing wrong with a decision to cut down on immigration based on a concrete, thought out study and assessment of the situation.

But political refugees seeking heaven from oppresion and persecution of their political ideas should ALWAYS be welcomed in Europe.

[Thue]

Of course political refugees deserves to be helped.

It just seems that the world today has an inexaustable supply of refugees. Given limited ressources you then have the choice between integrating one in a european country, or helping 10 equally deserving people in their home country.

Note that I have nothing against ressourcefull, openminded immigrants, no matter their skin color, culture or religion. We actually need more of those.
But weak immigrants will invariantly settle at the buttom of society, requirering lots of ressources that could be better used to help more people elsewhere. It is a tough world, but thats the facts.

[Case]

BirdMan, welcome to what liberal Australians are going through

Not surprisingly, your election got a lot of coverage in the Australian media

[The Mad Viking]

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"

-Shakespeare

What the fvck happened to the country that stood up to the Nazi's- that had "no Jews, only Danes"- where the Gentiles took to wearing Star of Bethlehem armbands when the Nazis finally starting making the Jews wear them- where they smuggled the Jews out to Sweden, and minded their homes, business, pets and even their gardens for over a year until they could return???

"No Mosque shall ever be built on Danish soil!"???


Well fvck Camre and the pig he road in on.

I cannot believe this will last. The coalition will fall. I cannot believe this represents either the youth of Denmark nor those who can remember the war.

What % of seats does Venstre / DPP have amongst themselves?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"

-Shakespeare

What the fvck happened to the country that stood up to the Nazi's- that had "no Jews, only Danes"- where the Gentiles took to wearing Star of Bethlehem armbands when the Nazis finally starting making the Jews wear them- where they smuggled the Jews out to Sweden, and minded their homes, business, pets and even their gardens for over a year until they could return???

Yeah, but did you fight the Nazis?


I think this is happening in places in Europe because:

_people have forgotten
_unemployment
_rampant uncontrolled immigration

[Thue]

The Mad Viking: No, the people who matter don't think like that. As I said, me and my friends would laught at them if they hadn't gotten 12% .

paiktis22: In the case of Denmark I think it is all coming out now, after it hasn't been possible to talk about the problems there have in fact been for PC reasons. This is just an overreaction. Plus of course a good deal of ignorance and stupidity.