Gay man beaten to death in Vancouver park

[SlowwHand]

Violent behavior is disgusting.
That doesn't mean two people that want to lace up some gloves for a little pugalistic endeavor.
But whacking the life out of someone with bat or cue is a hate crime.
It wouldn't be any better if a group of gays beat a straight, Infatuation.
Hate crimes are not just a sign of desperation, as a mugging might be.
Usually, a mugging consists solely of the threat of violence.
Hate crimes are totally different.
It's a sign of a sick mind, and deserves the ultimate punishment.

[Dis]

This terrible. and conadians are supposed to be more accepting than stubborn americans. Progress is so slow sometimes.

I don't want to threadjack this, but it already has been. I do not believe in hate crimes. This just creates more hate by discriminating against those people that hate a certain type of people. We aren't treating people as equals. Murder is murder- period

[History049]

You're all pathetic:

We don't even know if this is a hate crime, murderer probably didn't even know he was gay.

Even if it was a hate crime, far more blacks and whites die than gays from hate movitated crimes. We never hear about them.

Like been said, a murder is a murder, it doesn't matter if it was hate motivated. I suggest execution but in fairyland Canada it won't happen.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


So you're looking into a career in journalism then?

No being the idiot you are you should look into that. I actually back up what I say.

I am also against hate crimes legsilation, because every person should be treated equally under law, and no person should receive unfair or special treatment.

[red_jon]

Anyone dying is a tragedy.

I'm not sure where I stand on hate crimes though.

[SlowwHand]

I've said before, but if you missed it, here it is again.

Contrary to what Bob the Lip says, hate crimes are real.
There is very much difference between "crime of passion", "incidental murder" while committing another crime, and "hate crimes".
Anyone that attacks and/or kills another due to the difference in outlooks on life, is the worst of the bad.

Let's look at it this way, and I'm going to use The Lip's own view.
The Taliban terrorists are loathesome.
They kill when viewpoints don't mirror their own.
BtL recognizes and acknowledges this belief.
So why is it any different when one individual is targeted?
Easy answer. No difference.

What we have here is domestic terrorism, committed against an individual.

[RedFred]

Some facts: this has been a major item in the news. To put it in context, it was Vancouver's thirteenth homicide of the year.

There was a big parade in the West End supporting the victim. Both gays and straights, over 1,000, I think.

The second beach area of Stanley Park is supposed to be a big gay cruising spot after dark. I only go by there in the daytime during my long runs on Sunday.

The time of the incident was about three in the morning. The victim was found clad only in hiking boots. Police suspect that this was a hate crime against a gay individual, but are by no means certain. The crime would be no less henious if it turned out to be a random act of violence. Apparently the guy was beaten to death.

Intolerence and prejudice exists everywhere, I hope people will realise that this is an extremely rare incident and that they don't view Vancouver as a dangerous or redneck kind of city.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I've said before, but if you missed it, here it is again.

Contrary to what Bob the Lip says, hate crimes are real.
There is very much difference between "crime of passion", "incidental murder" while committing another crime, and "hate crimes".
Anyone that attacks and/or kills another due to the difference in outlooks on life, is the worst of the bad.

Let's look at it this way, and I'm going to use The Lip's own view.
The Taliban terrorists are loathesome.
They kill when viewpoints don't mirror their own.
BtL recognizes and acknowledges this belief.
So why is it any different when one individual is targeted?
Easy answer. No difference.

What we have here is domestic terrorism, committed against an individual.

Ah, bull crap. Hate crimes are PC laws set in motion by a large gay and minority lobby, nothing more, nothing less. Who's going to decide if it was a hate crime? Why weren't the rioters in Cincinnati brought up on hate crime charges when African Americans pulled innocent whites from their cars and beat them up?

If I ever decide to murder anyone I'll make sure it's random acts of violence that my society prefers over hate crimes.

Damn it man, I'm allowed to hate whoever I want for whatever reason I want. Get this warm and fuzzy legislation crap out of my face. If you kill someone you kill someone. The only difference is that it's sometimes an accident. There's no need to interject emotion into the picture. Next thing you know we'll have "I don't like you crimes". No exactly hate, but you damn well know you don't like the person. Bah!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well said, WhiteElephants. Agree 100%

Btw, any new news to suggest it was a crime based on his sexual orientation rather than simply a mugging attempt or something else similar?

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Btw, any new news to suggest it was a crime based on his sexual orientation rather than simply a mugging attempt or something else similar?

He was gay and he was killed. I thought that was all the evidence anyone ever needed?

I hope it was one gay Black female, one transgender male Native American, one quadrapeligic female Latin American, and one white guy in a bussiness suit that commited this crime (not that I wanted the crime commited at all). I know it sounds like some bad joke, but I'd like to see how it would play out in court.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by RedFred
Some facts: this has been a major item in the news. To put it in context, it was Vancouver's thirteenth homicide of the year.

There was a big parade in the West End supporting the victim. Both gays and straights, over 1,000, I think.

The second beach area of Stanley Park is supposed to be a big gay cruising spot after dark. I only go by there in the daytime during my long runs on Sunday.

The time of the incident was about three in the morning. The victim was found clad only in hiking boots. Police suspect that this was a hate crime against a gay individual, but are by no means certain. The crime would be no less henious if it turned out to be a random act of violence. Apparently the guy was beaten to death.

Intolerence and prejudice exists everywhere, I hope people will realise that this is an extremely rare incident and that they don't view Vancouver as a dangerous or redneck kind of city.

Thanks, RedFred. I certainly don't view Vancouver in that way at all; thanks for passing along the info, and for getting back to the point of the post amidst all this threadjacking.

Please, someone start a separate "hate crimes: pro & con" thread to carry on this debate. I just wanted to hear some news from someone close to the incident.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants


Ah, bull crap. Hate crimes are PC laws set in motion by a large gay and minority lobby, nothing more, nothing less. Who's going to decide if it was a hate crime? Why weren't the rioters in Cincinnati brought up on hate crime charges when African Americans pulled innocent whites from their cars and beat them up?

If I ever decide to murder anyone I'll make sure it's random acts of violence that my society prefers over hate crimes.

Damn it man, I'm allowed to hate whoever I want for whatever reason I want. Get this warm and fuzzy legislation crap out of my face. If you kill someone you kill someone. The only difference is that it's sometimes an accident. There's no need to interject emotion into the picture. Next thing you know we'll have "I don't like you crimes". No exactly hate, but you damn well know you don't like the person. Bah!

My ass. Wait until you're beat bloody by some thugs with a phobia about *white* elephants, then come talk to me.
What a drone.

Additionally Imran, what if it involved a person from Pakistan?
Would you sing a different tune then?
Uh huh. I believe you would. A double to you.
What a hypocritical viewpoint for you to dare and think, much less express.
You're better than that. Show it.

[vlad]

So now lets say hypothetically that the man was a convicted pedophile who raped one of the 4 mens little brothers. Would your opinions change? How about he was a bisexual man who spread AIDS to one of the 4 mens wives or sisters? Maybe the guy was trying to rob one of the men after they had been to some batting cages??
I think when you post something as vague as this you really need to add more details for anyone to really make conversation about it.
I will be flying into Vancouver in less than a month and this certainly doesn't tarnish my thoughts of how nice of a place it is. People die everyday from lots of things, thats just life.
On the topic of hate crimes, I always laugh when i hear that term.Like there is a difference, dead people are dead people no matter who or what they are.

[drake]

Additionally Imran, what if it involved a person from Pakistan?
Would you sing a different tune then?

I recall Imran being quite worried after 9-11 because of people targeting arab or "middle eastern looking" people. He was afraid of HATE. BLIND HATE. And now he is going to put up this line? He is a hypocrite! And then some.

Hate crime might be imaginary for someone like w.e. because he obviously lacks the ability to empathize, but in the real world there is blind hate towards people that are different. Allowing people to get away with blatant hate and racism, as I said in the past, we're blowing away years of progress in trying to make this an actually equal society.

[SlowwHand]

So your point is if someone is beat to death, there must have been a reason for it?
Oh puh-lease! This from a Vlad the Impaler dovotee?