A racist thread

[Caligastia]

I am not discounting environment, but a good environment can only do so much. Its your genetics that determine your potential.

[Ted Striker]

I generally agree with that.

Genetics will predetermine your potential.

However getting the right environement will determine how high or low within that potential that you reach.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I generally agree with that.

Genetics will predetermine your potential.

However getting the right environement will determine how high or low within that potential that you reach.

Agreed.

I am trying to find a link to that study I was talking about...its interesting.

[drake]

I don't get it.

So some of you consider it "okay" to put Asians above whites but it's not cool to blacks below ANYBODY.

Double standard PC taboo.

Please point out where I said that Ted.

Common sense hasnt a thing to do with genetics. Common sense is a result of nurture, not nature. And common sense, in most cases, is a much more valuable ally in someones life than their intelligence, and will get them further and achieve more.

Now potential might be inherited, but what good is potential for the most part? Most humans are quite content for mediocricy and plateau at some point in their life. It is quite safe to say that very very few people even come close to their potential. Only in a proper environment can ones potential develop.

[Ted Striker]

Asian people may seem inherently smarter, but perhaps it is just that they work harder than whites? Blacks might seem inherently better athletes than whites, but perhaps they just apply themselves better and have a better work ethic, while the white boy sits at home and plays nintendo???

This was the one I'm talking about.

You didn't say specifcially what I that is the inference I got from it.

[drake]

Well its a very bad interpretation Ted. I said Asian people may SEEM (seem), inherently smarter because of their work ethic. A dumb guy ( by your "genetic potential" theory) will seem to appear smarter than a smart guy who doesnt apply himself or wastes his potential.

So to spell it out in easier to understand terms (even though I thought it was quite clear), I don't think asians are smarter than whites in general, but they may appear that way because generally they work harder than whites.

[Ted Striker]

Thanks!

Alright player you have made your case. I still don't agree with it fully but that's what we're here debating.

But being from the east coast, aren't you supposed to say, "let me put dis in terhms yous can undastand!"

[Ted Striker]

More Asian stereotypes

Lousy asian drivers rated from worst to best!

1. Chinese
2. Korean
3. Japanese
4. Vietnamese

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Guynemer
It has more to do with the environment than with genetics. In urban schools, to study and excel academically is considered "acting white" by some black students. (Not to mention the fact that the quality of available education is considerably less in urban schools.) Athleticism is the natural alternative.

Interestingly enough there is a disproportionate amount of world class long distance runners who hail from the African country of Kenya. The interesting aspect of this is that it has only been since the 1970's that long distance running in Kenya has been popularized. Now perhaps it's me, but I find it difficult to imagine that the social/cultural forces came on that strong to initiate the change that you're suggesting exists in the example above. I'm also under that assumption that this social/cultural force is one that has been acting upon the disenfrancised for many generations, which in turn fails to explain the sudden emergence of Kenyan long distance runners.

I'm not saying this cultural/social force doesn't exist, I'm just suggesting that the issue is more complex than what you've suggested and that genetics, perhaps, play a far more important role than what you've allowed for.

[Ted Striker]

Well one thing I do want to point about Kenya is that they run EVERYWHERE, it's like their means of transportation...

[Solly]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Well one thing I do want to point about Kenya is that they run EVERYWHERE, it's like their means of transportation...

I'd run everywhere too if I could run consistently at 20mph plus...

[Evil_Eric_4]

OK PCers get ready to flame!

I went to City schools growing up and it is my observation that Blacks are IMO less intelligent than the other races.
They are more athletic however.
I always atributed this to the fact that US blacks are the product of slavers grabing only the biggest and strongest.
They only wanted strong backs and intelligence was something they deffinately DID NOT want.
So I figured Blacks in Africa were probably smarter than american blacks. I dont know.

Any way The Remedial reading and general math classes in my High School were almost exclusively populated by blacks who btw had the same schooling and access to learning materials that the white kids had.

Of course, as in all rules, there were exceptions but by and large this is how it was.
Of course I attributed some of it to pure laziness as well.

Just recently my niece tranfered to my old High School due to parental dissagreement from an all white suburban school and I asked her what is was like being in classes with the others now.

Her answer was the blacks were nice but stupid.
The Porto-Ricans(sp?)were A-holes.

the responce of a 16 year old girl who never even had any real contact with these races.

Take this for what its worth
I will not respond to anything else on this matter.
It is all just my OBSERVASIONS and not open to debate.
For the record I do have black friends but of course I dont judge a man on the level of his intelligence or the color of his skin but for the content of his character. MLK

[sulla]

People are too afraid to speak their mind for fear of being too P.C. What a joke! This is the internet, its virtual, and you CAN say whatever you want. If you make fun of someone, the offendee should able to handle it. People are just too sensitive these days

[Caligastia]

The fact is that a lot of what we are is influenced by genetics. Just because in an ideal world everyone would have the same intelligence potential does not make it so. Nature knows no political correctness.

[drake]

Well it's almost impossible to determine cal. As I stated, such a minute percentage of people actually come anywhere close to their genetic potential that it's close to being an irrelevent statistic. Who cares if a white guy has a greater capacity to learn than a black guy? It doesn't mean that he/she will become smarter than a black person who has lesser potential. Yes, we all can only do so much with what we were given, but as far as conventional, every day intelligence and logic, race doesnt really matter. It almost all has to do with enviornment.

A naturally born genius is worthless without the right environment and nurturing. A mediocre mind can far exceed a genius mind if that is developed properly.

Bottom line is, potential anything is a meaningless thing for the most part. It says nothing. Proves nothing. In the scheme of life is irrelevent.

In the end all this potential crap might do is provide an excuse for someone that is a failure. IE - I got cut from the team because I was a white boy (not because I was lazy and had a lousy work ethic) or I didn't get an A because I am black and the test is racist (rather than, I didn't get an A because I didn't study hard enough and I had a lousy work ethic).

Humans have slight variations, but we're all basically the same. Trying to pick apart differences just seems so pointless!