What Should Happen to George W. Bush?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Dave... it is this reason I've seriously considered putting Slow on my ignore list.

He's seriously become a major league ****, who thinks he is the parent of all the posters younger than him and thus can lecture them on how they should live their lives.

A big **** YOU to Slow!

[David Floyd]

Well, Imran is right in that you are being a bit condescending. On the other hand, no one is on my ignore list. I figure everyone has something good to say if you just wade through the bull****.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Dave... it is this reason I've seriously considered putting Slow on my ignore list.

He's seriously become a major league ****, who thinks he is the parent of all the posters younger than him and thus can lecture them on how they should live their lives.

A big **** YOU to Slow!

Your kind is why other Muslims are having problems.
Why don't you go sit somewhere with your hand out ?
It doesn't have a damned thing to do with age, I enlisted at 19.
What it has to do with, is having just the slightest clue about appreciating.

[David Floyd]

Your kind is why all the other Muslims are having problems.

No, Muslims are having problems because some Americans can't respect civil rights and prefer to discriminate based on race - in their mind, just because some misguided Muslims flew planes into buildings, all Muslims must be bad. Wake up! Islam is a very peaceful and caring religion, as much as Christianity is.

And I'm not sure how Imran's religious beliefs would line up with those of, say, Mohammed Atta, so you'd better be careful there.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by David Floyd


No, Muslims are having problems because some Americans can't respect civil rights and prefer to discriminate based on race - in their mind, just because some misguided Muslims flew planes into buildings, all Muslims must be bad. Wake up! Islam is a very peaceful and caring religion, as much as Christianity is.
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This is the biggest bullocks. Racism is a matter of someones opinion. Institutional Racism is illegal.... It doesnt hold anybody back.

Nobodys discriminated against muslims DF. 1 muslim dude was booted off a plane cause he was acting suspicous. Now he sues airlines. He has the right to do that.

There is no God Damn discrimination going on in America. Racism yes.....Discrimination...NO. There is a huge difference. They are seperate issues. Dont mix the two

[David Floyd]

faded, I was mainly responding to Slowwhand's comment more than making a point myself...and there have been instances of Muslims being targeted specifically because of the Sept. 11 attacks.

[faded glory]

Ya I know what your saying.

I just get extremely tired of people tieing Discrimation with Racism.


Racism= What is going in america. Opinions.....Stereotypes

Discrimination= what used to go on in America. Institutionalized Segregation......etc.

[drake]

America nor any other country will ever be perfect for everyone. EVER. Time to start getting realistic.

I just don't understand people that NEED civil liberties and cry for them, but are not willing to fight for them.

In a perfect world, civil rights would be fundamental for everyone on the globe. Not just people that live in North America and Europe. But goddam, this isn't a perfect world, and argue as you may, civil liberties are a priviledge. We are priviledged to have them. If temporarily denying a minute percentage of people their "civil rights" to ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country, so be it. Rights are something that must be protected, but not at the expense of more dead innocent people.

Lets also remember that the people that made this happen are the people WE elected.

[SlowwHand]

This thread illustrates why being a U.S. president would suck.
Clinton devoted time to domestic issues, and gets blasted.
So far, Bush has had to focus on foreign policy, and gets blasted.
The job pays well, but it doesn't pay enough.

[drake]

No different now than ever sloww.

A president will always get blasted for something. No country is ever going to have a perfect leader. Impossible. That is unless someone elects david floyd

[Ramo]

If temporarily denying a minute percentage of people their "civil rights" to ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country, so be it.

Tell me, how does giving Ashcroft authority to indefinitely detain aliens, without any judicial review, "ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country?" How does circumventing judicial review in gaining financial data, education records, a whole plethora of information the state is not warranted in looking at arbitrarily "ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country?" How does making a crime out of something that can be twisted to mean practially anything (see the definition of domestic terrorism) "ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country?" How does extending wiretap authority over an entire area in which a so called "domestic terrorist" resides "ensure the safety of life for the rest of the country?"

Would you consider doing me a great favor?
Go live in the hell hole they call Afghanistan, then whine about the liberties you've lost.
You have it made, bud.

Would you consider stuffing your sanctimony up your ass.

[drake]

Well Righteous Ramo, it sure as hell couldve prevented 9-11 from happening

A little inconvenience or a little discomfort to a few people is better than people dying. Isn't it?

This isn't ww2 and rounding up every arab like we did Japanese isn't exactly happening is it? This is hardly as big of a deal as some make it out to be.

[SlowwHand]

Ramo is an excellent example of why immigrants are better citizens than many people born here.

MOST immigrants appreciate every delicious drop of freedom, while those like Ramo take it all for granted.
Ramo has absolutely no basis for comparison.
Sanctimonious? What a laugh.
It's you, and people like you, that are sanctimonious hypocrites who haven't a clue, and make it so easy for things like terrorism to happen.
Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

[Ramo]

Well Righteous Ramo, it sure as hell couldve prevented 9-11 from happening

I believe I asked you how.

A little inconvenience or a little discomfort to a few people is better than people dying. Isn't it?

Sure, Senor Franco. Why, if everyone is locked up, no one would be murdered.

MOST immigrants appreciate every delicious drop of freedom, while those like Ramo take it all for granted.

I take freedom for granted? You're willing to throw them away!

It's you, and people like you, that are sanctimonious hypocrites who haven't a clue, and make it so easy for things like terrorism to happen.

I really don't see how opposing the indefinite detention of aliens, without judicial review, makes it easy for terrorism to happen. Then again, I'm not a Republicrat.

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

I'm not a pacifist. Nor do I currently oppose the war against the Taliban.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
Ah, something new...

I thought someone would like it.

Now for some random points:

2. The Fugitive Slave Act

For the sake of arguement: Leaving aside the moral question of slavery and the fact that the government lacked the authority to ban it at that time, why shouldn't a person have property that was either lost or stolen returned to them?

3. The first protective tariff
4. The First Bank of the US
5. The Whiskey Excise Tax

What's wrong with these points?

6. Attempting to crush the slave rebellions in Haiti

Why were we there? Hati was a French colony at this time, right? Why weren't they taking care of the rebellion on their own like any other colonial overlord?

And I'm sure there's some other stuff I can't recall at the moment...

Of that I have no doubt.