What Should Happen to George W. Bush?

[orange]

As far as the Afghanistan situation is going, I'll be the first to admit that Bush is doing a fine job, and that's coming from a leftist!

However, once this thing is over and done with, I have a feeling that domestically (especially if he goes with the things he ran on) he's going to be a big let down, and I'll go back to disliking him as much as I did before this thing got started (not that I really "like him" now, I just hate him less so because he's handling the situation quite well)

[History049]

He can't do that here? The last I heard partying and drinking booze is still legal.

It is, but there are responsibilities here too. In Germany the crackpot welfare gov takes care of you even if you're a lazy pig.

But Bob, you don't believe in freedom.

Evidence? redneck. here's what you say: we ain't gonan be doin no war in afghanistan, enough of that nonsense there. no putin coming to my dorrstep ye hear

[David Floyd]

orange, I'll even concede that I have no problem with what he's doing in Afghanistan. My problem lies with his current domestic agenda, ie the stripping of rights from American citizens.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Bobbie, you can chill now, voluntarily, or I'll give you a week to chill.

[orange]

Originally posted by David Floyd
orange, I'll even concede that I have no problem with what he's doing in Afghanistan. My problem lies with his current domestic agenda, ie the stripping of rights from American citizens.

Yes, I know, I forgot the point of my thread after reading the posts

As I added, yes, domestically I don't think he'll be a good president, which may effect his chances at reelection (just like Daddy )

What 'stripping of rights' are you referring to exactly? I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure.

[David Floyd]

Well, the Patriot Act in general, the military tribunals, the very strong possibility of further 4th Amendment (and maybe even 2nd Amendment) erosions, etc.

Troops patrolling the airports is not a good thing either, IMO, especially not if they can override the civilian authorities, which they really CAN'T do, of course.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Troops patrolling the airports is not a good thing either, IMO, especially not if they can override the civilian authorities, which they really CAN'T do, of course.

My understanding was that they were there for show and basically little more than show. Am I wrong?

[David Floyd]

Well, if chegitz's article about that Green Party woman is to be believed, then yes, although I can't comment as to its veracity.

[Berzerker]

Bob -

It is, but there are responsibilities here too. In Germany the crackpot welfare gov takes care of you even if you're a lazy pig.

What responsibilities? I don't need to go to Germany for welfare and I can drink all the booze I want right here.

Evidence? redneck.

You just told David to go to Germany if he wants the right to party and drink booze. A libertarian would tell him to stay here and fight for this right with the rest of us before it is taken away by freedom lovers like you.

If you believed in freedom, you'd be here's what you say: we ain't gonan be doin no war in afghanistan, enough of that nonsense there. no putin coming to my dorrstep ye hear

So once you offer up that one insult from Rush, you become unintelligible? I guess it's true what they say about dittoheads.
In the land of the brain dead, the halfwit is king. Is Rush still bragging about debating people while sitting on half his brain? Btw, Larry Elder supports the legalization of drugs...

[History049]

Before I depart from this thread I shall prove my final point

I am as much as a believer in free speech and free ideas as you libertarians are, the difference is I understand there are higher powers at work and it doesn't matter how much you care about free speech. For example, the feds here are telling me to be quiet or I'll be forced to, just like in real life. That's the way things work, and that's how it must be done.

[Berzerker]

Boob - Oops, well not too far off.

Before I depart from this thread I shall prove my final point

I am as much as a believer in free speech and free ideas as you libertarians

In your final point, you just refuted your earlier claim of being a libertarian

[orange]

David Floyd - I know this may sound weird coming from someone who is generally a libertarian, but...

...I don't mind the tightening of 4th amendment rights in most cases, especially during a national crisis or time of emergency. I mean, if you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about, and if you do have something to hide, than I don't think it's a problem to seize the illegal items (especially weapons). As long as it isn't based on race/religion...I don't have a problem with it. That would be more of an invasion of 1st amendment rights, I think, if it were based on race, religion, etc.

A more conservative interpretation of 4th amendment rights, IMO, is a good thing. I'm quite in favor of strict gun control as well, so I guess we just disagree on this one across the board.

[David Floyd]

He certainly did. Too bad he was just trolling

[David Floyd]

A more conservative interpretation of 4th amendment rights, IMO, is a good thing. I'm quite in favor of strict gun control as well, so I guess we just disagree on this one across the board.

I guess so

The only thing I really have to respond to your post with is to say that I really don't believe the federal government or President possess any significant "war powers" as they pertain to civil liberties.

[orange]

If Bush was somehow able to intern all people of Arabic decent or of the Muslim faith, I'd agree with that.

This seems more like a matter of national security power than a 'war power'...and personally I don't think that many civil liberties will be violated becuase of it.