What Kind Of America Is This?

[Ecthy]

implied reference? you've lost me I'm afraid...

[drake]

I don't take offense even if the implication is drake = good german = good nazi.

However, someone that is german might, because associating germans with fascism is a pretty ignorant thing to say..even for che.

[Ecthy]

Oh well, I've read less subtle associations on Apolyton lately...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by drake
I don't take offense even if the implication is drake = good german = good nazi.

Actually, that's not what it means.

Ecthilion, it refers to otherwise good and decent people who stand by and do nothing while their government does evil to others.

[MOBIUS]

The implication I get from Che's statement is that your average German in the mid thirties was happy to follow along with the herd when this Hitler guy came to power, their country was getting stronger and more prosperous - the average German on the street never had it so good!

So what if some Jews and Intellectuals are complaining about abuses of civil liberties by the authorities - I'm alright Jack...

We all know what happened a few years further on down the line, don't we boys and girls?

Now I'm not saying Bush is gonna turn into some megalomaniac madman and try and take over half the world - but you get the idea, ja?

[Victor Galis]

"...and btw, can one of you name anyone who is suspicious enough to be sent to the tribunal? there´s simply no one, that´s it."

-I don't know. They can use circumstancial evidence to send dissidents to the tribunal and convinct them on it.

"Meaning what? You'd resort to violenece to solve problems?"

-Meaning under the current laws, they could arrest me and lock me up for a good long time if I were near a demonstration against the Bush administration that could be construed to be sympathetic to Bin Laden.

"Cite a few civil liberties that you are lacking victor, I'm curious as to what you're talking about"

-Habeas corpus is the big one, I also lack a right to vote, and other miscellaneous liberties.

"But it is very frustrating for me to hear someone tell me what I should think. What I should think is America, How I should think the government should work, what is best for me etc."

-That's right, let's not give a damn about others, what have they done for us last second

"I believe although sometimes off the mark and sometimes plain wrong, the government of this country always has the best intentions in mind for its people, which is much more than you can say for many countries across the globe."

-You are so naïve.

"Maybe I am a schmuck, but I actually think that JFK's statement about not asking what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country is a goal that we all should strive for."

-The way you're arguing it's more like "ask not what your country can do for you, but what your country can do to you."

[David Floyd]

Well I've read those articles...sounds to me the following should have happened:
1)In the first article, airport security should have detained the National Guard. They can't do that, you say? Well the National Guard can't do what they've been doing either. If the guardmen resist being reigned in, shoot them for all I care.

2)Someone needs to send a very clear message to the Bush Administration (I can't say certain words, such as one that starts with an "A", because of the American SS, the Schultzstaffeln, oh I mean Secret Service). If that message isn't listened to, an even clearer message should be sent.

I think if those two things happened I'd be a very happy camper...I don't give a **** about bin Laden at this point as much as I do about loss of civil liberties in the US...I'd gladly trade never getting bin Laden and risk suffering more terrorist attacks in exchange for retaining our freedoms, to be quite honest.

I think the bottom line is Bush = ****head

[David Floyd]

Oh, and by the way...when JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" he was full of ****. That line is nothing more than a load of self-sacrificing patriotic **** - I have no obligation to do jack**** for my country, but my country sure as hell is obligated to ensure that I retain my rights granted by the Constitution - otherwise known as the Supreme Law of the Land.

[MichaeltheGreat]

David - if everyone takes the view "I have no obligation" and "my country is obligated to protect me" then how exactly is it expected to fulfill that "obligation" to protect the rights of it's citizens? By hiring foreign mercenaries?

Someone, somewhere has to belly up to the bar to do that job.

And the founding fathers didn't look at assassination as a way of reining in tyranny. They looked to a Congress elected by the people, and to the people as a collective body.

[David Floyd]

No, by going to an all volunteer army. If no one volunteers for the army, tough ****. IE if no one cares, then the government really has no power to force people to fight a war they don't care about, eh?

And I'll concede that the Founders didn't advocate assassination...then again, the advocated a Congress that would follow the law, act only within its constraints when absolutely necessary, and work to maintain the separation of powers. I don't think we have any of those three things today.

[faded glory]

The Communist Dogs finally see the folly of their ways!

Why as the victim of this calculated act should Spain call off her forces that have weathered the communist storm and emerged from the other side stronger!?!

Especially when even while she sues for peace, Inca has the temerity to attack the very nation she calls upon for mercy!?

Still, Spain must think of the bigger picture - that being of the terrible devastation visited upon us by pollution, and the warnings of another impending catastrophe in the very near future...

Peace Demand

1) Both France and Inca MUST renounce Communism IMMEDIATELY or face the consequences!

2) Whilst Spain has straightened out her borders into an easily defendable front with France, she still needs to extract her 'tribute' from the Inca and consolidate her lines on easily defended territory - all cities W of Cuzco are to be claimed by Spain as an 'appeasement'! General Glorita, you have one turn's grace before Spanish occupation forces roll forward again - any Inca units still in this area after that point will be destroyed if caught!

Under the circumstances, this is a more than generous offer!

CREDO


Tomas de Torquemada

Mobius I have countered your proposals. I do hope you accept these......I do want to see the end of this game.

As for Rick. I humbly ask that you pull your forces back as a gesture of mercy. I will cede all of my Australian provinces captured during the first great war.


Regarding the use of Nuclear weapons against Lima.....I apoligize. It was a bit of panic reaction. But most of the lives lost were Inca anyway


PS- the Workers Regime will be disbanded...And Inca Communist party members will be sent to Spain for war trials


FG,

[David Floyd]

eh?

[faded glory]

Sorry multiple windows

That was meant for Love Conquer thread in CTP-Mp

Was gettin my arse whooped by Fascists

[chequita guevara]

That looks terribly amusing.

[faded glory]

See Che I aint so bad, in the land of PBEM I am actually a champion of Marxist principles (in most of my games)


'Onward my Crimson Comrades'