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**Dinner** · January 23, 2005, 05:18

Meh, more stupid leftie nonsense.

**The Mad Monk** · January 23, 2005, 05:22

I'm sure he's all broken up over it.

**Winston** · January 23, 2005, 05:22

It's not the Austrians' place to interfere with the responsibilities of the Governor of California.

But try and tell that to the Austrians.

**Atahualpa** · January 23, 2005, 05:29

This is standard behavior, they say this, because they have to say this, but nothing will ever happen.

Schwarzenegger's an idiot though. If they really want to take citizenship off him, I shall be fine, there is nothing austrian attached to him anymore and as I once read in an interview, he doesn't really like us anyway.
He is the type of immigration idiot (and he isn't particularly clever) who then got all the chances and got big and is now amazed by this. Ofc, that's what all the americans like, because it's the long forgotten american dream.

**Atahualpa** · January 23, 2005, 05:31

Originally posted by Winston
It's not the Austrians' place to interfere with the responsibilities of the Governor of California.

But try and tell that to the Austrians.

Do I really have to go into the essence of this unimportant article?

**Dinner** · January 23, 2005, 05:37

Please do elaborate about what exactly an "immigration idiot" is.

**Mr. Harley** · January 23, 2005, 05:39

No, it's a valid point (by the Austrian government). It's not a case of left or right, Oerdin, but a different set of national values. If you publically defacto repudiate some of those values, especially in the case of someone serving in a foreign government, then revoking his citizenship is appropriate.

Even if you support the concept of the death penalty (which I do) the process in the United States is so severely flawed that you do not need to be a lefty to oppose it. Also given the fact that the US does not seem to be able to deal with these procedural factors - lack of effective council for the indigent, lack of sanctions against prosecutors who flout due process (look up the case of John Demjanjuk - a deportation that ended up on an Israeli death row, but I'm talking about the prosecutor's behavior), problems with charging juveniles with capital crimes, and problems with mental competence issues (if you have to drug them so they are competent to stand trial - doesn't that ipso facto mean they were incompetent when they did the crime) just look at the case of the woman convicted in Texas after killing her children who couldn't have her reversal explained to her due to her continued deterioration into a deeply psychotic state (the prosecution used a trumped up expert to claim she was mentally competent).

The case of the ex-governor (a Republican, by the way) of Illinois who tried to get the US to examine how we convict criminals went no where. This came as a reaction to the Innocence Project and other cases, largely with DNA evidence, that showed ALOT of innocent people were on death row. The man Arnold had executed deserved it. The problem is that the system is broken, and the Austrian government, and for that factor many governments, do not trust the US Criminal Justice system. That should be a matter of shame for our country, and a national crisis. If the Austrians choose to say no Austrian citizen can participate in death penalty procedures, that's their right. Just like Californians can choose to vote for Arnold, that's their right. Just as we have the right to post here and argue in the ridiculously wee hours of the morinng.

**Dinner** · January 23, 2005, 05:45

There are tons of duel citizens but the left of center PM in Austria only goes after the slightly right of center Governor of California. Why? It isn't about values since so many businessmen conduct themselves in a different manner. Hell, a common criminal can rape and murder a woman in her sleep but they don't threaten to strip him of his citizenship.

This is just stupid political nonsense from people who specialize in stupid political nonsense.

**Imran Siddiqui** · January 23, 2005, 05:54

What a moron. Yeah, a dual citizen who is Governor of the US State of California allowing an execution to go through is damaging Austria's reputation

. What utter nonsense!

**Ted Striker** · January 23, 2005, 05:58

word

**Zoid** · January 23, 2005, 06:45

I´d say his films do more damage to Austria them his actions as a governor... But how come you only hear about Austria when it´s in connection with some right-wing nut? I mean Adolf Hitler, Jörg Haider and whatshisname the former prime minister that was some hotshot in the SS?

**Winston** · January 23, 2005, 08:27

He was President, and before that Sec. Gen of the UN. His name is Kurt Waldheim.

In WWII, he served in the SA, not the SS.

**Atahualpa** · January 23, 2005, 08:55

Yeah yeah Adolf Hitler, Jörg Haider....

What exactly has Haider ever done than holding stupid talks (not that I like this either)? I tell you, haider is dead! He has no support anymore. His party (which is not his anymore) has gone down in all "state" elections tremendously. I mean it's the very opposite of sky-rocketed. The FPÖ is dead and I am very fine with this.

You are totally right! I am so sick of hearing all this nazi-past ****, but as soon as you start saying that in public, you'll be criticized to no end and "how dare you!!!" "Never forget" "We must always remember!". Last time I heard someone *****ing around in a reproaching manner that so little Austrians visit places like Auschwitz and even more koreans do. Yeah? SO ****ING WHAT!!! We're all ****ing tired to hear this **** all day, we've been through this more than any other person on earth (excluding the germans of course).
But you can never say that out loud, because you'll be marked a nazi and insensitive and stupid and what not. Nobody is ever going to listen to you again, because we must never forget and this burden will last on us forever.

This is just sick.

When my friends come and roll their eyes on the newest holocaust book or movie which is in top charts and recommended by everyone so that we never forget. I just say to them to ****ing shut up, because the moment you start critizising something like this, is the moment you have made an ass out of yourself and none of the intellectuals will ever want to talk with you and without them nothing will ever move, cause the prolos are too obsessed with their own life and how to get the most out of the least and are happily driving around in cars with radios that they got for -50% because they were there at exactly the right moment in the right store.

This is soo sick.
This is sooo über sick. I hate this ****ing country and it's bigotted superficialness.

And Arnold is a ****ing idiot.

**Mr. Harley** · January 23, 2005, 08:59

Guys, read some of the foreign press. They see the US death penalties procedures as barbaric, and actually see the Chinese as more advanced - they do not try juveniles for the death penalty. Our Latin American friends often have trouble with our border state, Texas, which I believe

http://bipolar.about.com/od/socialissues/a/040628_texas.htm

Here's one - note what the federal judge said - Texas does have some good jurisprudence.

http://texasmoratorium.org/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=130003&page_id=25&group=3

Plus the countries were are in good company with who execute those who were junveniles at the time of their crime.
[QUOTE]Juvenile offenders are executed.

International standards prohibit the execution of people who were under 18 at the time of the crime.
(UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)

Since 1990, only 5 countries have executed people for crimes committed as children:
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and USA. The USA has executed more than the other 4 combined.
QUOTE]

Many Americans don't see it as a problem, I am not one of them. I repeat, the Austrian government has the right to tell one of it's citizens who is involved in something it considers egregious and a violation of human rights that we are considering revoking your citizenship. It's akin to our plea deal with Yaser Esam Hamdi, he fought for the Taliban (probably before we attacked Afghanistan) and we don't want him as a citizen (though I agree with Scalia, go ahead with a treason trial - he should have renounced his citizenship based on his allegiances, the fact he didn't makes it tough).

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