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  • #16
    Do you know how difficult it is to install, say, Unreal Tournament 2004 on Linux? Even if you have a Nvidia video card, etc...


    emerge -va nvidia-kernel
    >> yes.
    emerge -va ut2004
    >> yes.

    ( to be fair, that's on Gentoo Linux using Portage package management, but any Linux system with Portage installed would work the same way. )
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    • #17
      Aside from the fact that you've got two independent file systems now, and the annoyance of using two different OSes.


      I've done the two OSes thing before. If you are only using Windows for games (which is all it is good for) there's no problem.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #18
        I also totally broke my Debian install some time ago, trying to install gaim (a simple instant messenger). It needed a newer version of gtk-runtime, so I installed that. But wait! Gnome doesn't work with that gtk-runtime!

        Like I said, you have terrible luck with Linux.

        I'm running a server that's rock-solid on Gentoo Unstable (keyword ~x86) using mysql 4, php 5, apache 2, with gaim 1.1.2, fluxbox, kde, gnome, subversion, and so on... on kernel 2.6.10

        Hasn't borked since install.
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        • #19
          Are you a user of Windows? How are you doing on your backups? Have you had the machine hold in the middle of backups, by any chance? Have you lost any data? Have things disappeared into strange part of your disk, or have you had to reinstall the operating system and lose track of all your settings?

          Or are you a user of the Macintosh? One that is so simple and unreliable. No, rock-solid and uncomprehensible! So the beginning user puts something on the desktop, goes "OK, filed on sight... oops" and gets the full UNIX directory.

          How about Linux? Oh, that's great. We have this wonderful command-line interface, or we have the GNOME thing with really nice, incomprehensible widgets that were designed as a dumb-down of the command-line interface (as distinguished from clarity).

          Everything is designed either for people who need to know too much or for an imaginary stupid person.
          -- (partly misquoted - if something doesn't make sense, it's my fault) [url=http://xanadu.com.au/ted/]Ted Nelson on the usability of different operating systems, in a lecture about ZigZag that I wasn't able to find online...
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          • #20
            I see no possible reason for Sava to have to reinstall all of his programs from what he's described. Reformatting and reinstalling is just something a lot of idiots jump to doing, though it's almost always not necessary.
            Yes -- because we all know how stable and good XP sp2 is. If it doesn't work for your PC or start's ****ing around, it's because you're an idiot.

            I just realised that I'm slowly starting to sound a bit like Comrade Tassadar...

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            • #21
              If you do a whole wipe and integrated install of Win XP SP2, there are no problems.

              The only thing is, do you really want to do a whole wipe and reinstall?
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              • #22
                Having tried Gnome for a bit, I went back to KDE. Gnome feels like an ugly straitjacket.

                Fluxbox, my desktop/wm of choice.
                KDE and Gnome are only on the server because it's got the best processor for compiling.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by VJ
                  Yes -- because we all know how stable and good XP sp2 is. If it doesn't work for your PC or start's ****ing around, it's because you're an idiot.
                  If the PC starts ****ing around, call tech support or open a thread here and I can almost guarantee you there's a simple solution.

                  Even re-installing the operating system itself shouldn't force you to re-install other applications or lose any data.

                  I've only ever had to reformat a PC once, and that was actually a result of having a dual-boot Linux, and it totally demolishing my partition table...
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #24
                    I didn't have to reinstall my games and ****... just a few progs. Nothing major.

                    But my Gigabit PCI card doesn't want to work now. I'm looking at getting a new mobo anyways, so this isn't that big a deal.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #25
                      I've only ever had to reformat a PC once, and that was actually a result of having a dual-boot Linux, and it totally demolishing my partition table...

                      Which, no offense, sounds more like user error than anything...

                      Linux kernel itself doesn't ever write to the partition tables at all, iirc, and the programs fdisk, cfdisk and so on, have lots of safeguards...
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
                        Define "bad" . Also, which version is it? The way I understand GNOME's history, every geek loved the featureful 1.4, then absolutely everyone hated 2.0 and 2.2, and after that half of everyone has gradually started to learn to like the simpleness and the rest have hated the dumbing down of later versions...
                        I do not know what version it is. I would suppose one of the alter ones, since "featureful" isn't the word that pops into my mind when I think of it.

                        If making me long for MSDOS isn't the definition of bad, was is? I find the layout of menus etc counterintuitive. I really hate how much harder it is to hop around between various windows - there's no equivalent of Alt-Tab that I've found, and finding and remaximizing minimized windows is a pain. Icon listings in directories sometimes screw up on the screen.

                        That the tech staff has neutered everything neuterable doesn't help. There is, for instance, a fairly recent Mozilla browser installed, but the security settings are so insanely high - and they can apparently not be changed by mere users - that you're better off using the ancient Netscape version that's also provided (and which can be launched by a single click on the quicklaunch bar, while modern browser is burried in said counterintuitive menus).
                        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
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                        • #27
                          Incidentally, is there a way to cap the percentage of CPU capacity a certain process under WinXP is allowed to use?
                          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Q Cubed
                            Linux kernel itself doesn't ever write to the partition tables at all, iirc, and the programs fdisk, cfdisk and so on, have lots of safeguards...
                            It's not user error when the Red Hat partition wizard hard-locks while processing, my friend.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #29
                              OS/2...failed.

                              BeOS...failed.

                              Linux...is still trying, but currently fails.

                              We should never say never, but it doesn't look good.

                              Asher: If you've never had to re-format due to Windows you're either immensely lucky or too young to have been a power user through the worst years ('95-'99). I'm supposing the latter.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by dejon
                                Asher: If you've never had to re-format due to Windows you're either immensely lucky or too young to have been a power user through the worst years ('95-'99). I'm supposing the latter.
                                Are you kidding? I've been a heavy computer user since ~1990 and was the guy people came to for computer help all through the 90s. I can't recall how many times I've configured the DOS extended memory settings for my friends.

                                There's almost always an alternative to reformatting, it's just a nearly guaranteed way to fix a problem.

                                Too many people try to reboot, retry, reformat. All formatting does is give you a clean slate, it's a cheap way out of resolving a problem. I always try to dig down to the core of a problem.

                                I almost resorted to reformatting once, when Partition Magic totally screw Windows up to the point that it couldn't even boot in safe mode. I'm pretty sure more than 99% of people would've just reformatted in such a case, but I found a DOS bootdisk with NTFS capabilities and removed all trace of Partition Magic from Windows myself.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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