Why has Communism failed everywhere ? A chance for commies to explain

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by aneeshm
My second question has not yet been answered - why do commies stick to communism if it has failed ( and caused much misery in the world in the process ) ?

It's the leather jacket of the youth of the 21st century. Don't worry, they grow up. Most of them.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by aneeshm
@ DRoseDARs

I do not confuse these governments with communism as it was envisaged . I associate them with communism as it was practiced ( or calimed to be practiced ) . If communism is going to degenerate into something like those governments every time , is it not a failed ideology ?

To which I repeat:

For it to be a workable ideology, it has to ignore Human nature.

Take that for what you will. My post before has become an almost robotic auto-response everytime I see or hear one of these discussions, though I usually avoid threads. I apologize if I misiterpreted your meaning.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by notyoueither


It's the leather jacket of the youth of the 21st century. Don't worry, they grow up. Most of them.

democracyt (or republic could hav efailed jsut as easily)

look at the first war of the us

you can see how close democracy was to failing

but we lucked out

communism has just had bac luck

anytime there is revolution, there is a good achance that that revoltutiuon will be hijacked by unscrupulous men

Jon Miller
reason why I ano tpro revolution

[notyoueither]

If the US had lost the first war, Canada would be one helluva big country right now. I'd say you lost in the long run.

[Jon Miller]

well

yes, I agree

but still, the fact that the first war in the US *the revolutiuonary war, didn't spawn a dictator, mad all other revoluitions towards demoracty possible, because it looked like it oculd be successful

such was not the same with communsim atetter the failure of the USSR and China

jon Miller

[notyoueither]

Ahh, yes. Being somewhat of a communist yourself, that is quite an admission. Maybe you are outgrowing your leather jacket.

[Jon Miller]

I ahve never said that USSR and China were successes

in fact, I in general consider my self to be a post marxist communist (and in fact, recently , a sypathiser)

still, Canana is really cool, so of course we lost by not being part of it

Jon Miller

[aneeshm]

@ notyoueither - funny part is , I AM the youth of today , if you consider someone whose age is seventeen a youth . I "outgrew" communism more than a year ago as unworkable and useless , also horribly unjust and a violator of fundamental human rights , after seeing what it has caused . It is simply a matter of common sense ( and having the rational faculty that comes before it ) . Why woudl the youth of today try to rebel by following a failed ideology ? Why can't otherwise sensible people outgrow childish notions ?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Agathon
There's a deep evil streak in you UR?

No

I just don't think most of us want to tread over the same ground again, particularly the recent one was just one or two months ago.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by aneeshm
@ notyoueither - funny part is , I AM the youth of today , if you consider someone whose age is seventeen a youth . I "outgrew" communism more than a year ago as unworkable and useless , also horribly unjust and a violator of fundamental human rights , after seeing what it has caused . It is simply a matter of common sense ( and having the rational faculty that comes before it ) . Why woudl the youth of today try to rebel by following a failed ideology ? Why can't otherwise sensible people outgrow childish notions ?

Why did many of my friends wear leather and ride fast bikes to piss off their parents?

Why did youth after them shave their heads, wear chains and go punk?

Rebellion.

Not everyone feels compelled to rebel. You don't. Neither did I. In fact, you might find the majority do not, but the age will still be marked by the rebels. Today, it is later day communists and anarchists who wear the marks of rebellion.

Also, its safe. When I was 18 you could easily get your lights punched out by standing up in a bar and proclaiming your communism. 20 years before, you could get punched out for wearing leather and going into a similar bar. Now, no one is getting punched out, so people can do whatever they wish.

It all boils down to they are rebels with the hearts of pussies. They don't have the balls to do anything really dangerous. It's not like they have the heart of a Lenin if you gathered them all up and focused the effort. No, they are content to piss and moan from their comfortable homes, using their modern technology to piss and moan to each other. Poverty and injustice? They haven't a clue.

[DRoseDARs]

Why has this thread failed to stick with the original subject of Communism , instead veering towards discussion of leather , piss , and the need for punishment ?

I am fightened by this developement .

[notyoueither]

No, you're pissing and moaning from the comfort of your home with high speed internet access.

Hands up how many commies are on community dialup access (freenet)?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by notyoueither


It's the leather jacket of the youth of the 21st century. Don't worry, they grow up. Most of them.

You don't see the practical benefits of leather jackets? I don't plan on discarding mine until it starts to fall apart no matter how old I get.

[DRoseDARs]

I don't piss. I urinate. And I don't moan. I pontificate.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by notyoueither
If the US had lost the first war, Canada would be one helluva big country right now. I'd say you lost in the long run.

why would one country from the arctic ocean to the gulf of mexico be a good thing? The US sometimes seems to creak a bit on it's joints as it is.