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So based on something totally unrelated, you trust his credibility in this regard? Nice one.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Hersh was given exclusive access to some of the photographs taken at Abu Gharib before anyone else knew about them:
I trust his credibility.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Actually I trust the administration's incompetence and lack of credibility more than anything.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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You were pro-America at one time, now you turned your back on America and joined the hoardes of foolish people who hate America. Shame on you!Originally posted by Ted Striker
Actually I trust the administration's incompetence and lack of credibility more than anything.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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It's a sad thing that our President & his administration have demostrated their incompetance and untruthfulness to the point where I'm inclined to believe this reporter despite the fact that invading Iran makes no sense, and requires that the man in charge be the intellectual equal of a baboon. Given, however, that such a comparison is insulting to the baboon... what can I say? Blah.
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Do you have a keyboard shortcut for that? If I press Alt-F9 does it paste "You hate America" into the browser?Originally posted by Giancarlo
You were pro-America at one time, now you turned your back on America and joined the hoardes of foolish people who hate America. Shame on you!We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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We don't hate America, just the idiots who live there...
(The clever thing with that statement is that anyone who's offended by it, admits to be one of them)So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
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Yeah, that's what it looks like. Hell, we have plans to invade Canada.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Omg Bush Is Spying On A Hostile Nation! The Horror!
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Canada isn't part of the Axis of Evil either.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Not unrelated at all - actual US policy that is different to what has been stated or implied.Originally posted by Giancarlo
So based on something totally unrelated, you trust his credibility in this regard? Nice one.
What disturbs me most is NOT that America is lining up targets for TLAMs - I would expect that. More disturbing in Hersh's report is that the military, rather than the CIA, is being used for intelligence gathering due to the CIA being restricted in this respect after the 9/11 report.
Again, this is a divergence between stated and actual policy. What is the point of acting to limit CIA overseas operations - and then subcontracting it out?
Another point - a pre-emptive strike on a nation close to nuclear capability is surely a huge incentive for that nation to continue development. Once it has the nukes it ceases to be a viable target. Unless you want the Straits of Hormuz to glow at night and the resulting hike in oil prices...
...hang on, Dubbya makes his moolah from oil... so if the price goes up he makes a fortune... so it's in his personal interest to scare everybody and push the price up.
Ah, that makes sense - try and scare them into submission.
Because the USA doesn't have a hope in hell of successfully invading Iran and imposing it's own form of govt.
You want to take on 60 million people with nukes who chant "Margh Bargh Amrika" every week? Then you're just as crazy as they are.
As the good book says - "You're on your own, son".Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84Comment
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So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!Comment
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Ted isn't the one who changed...Originally posted by Giancarlo
You were pro-America at one time, now you turned your back on America and joined the hoardes of foolish people who hate America. Shame on you!I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Interesting, yet again both the left and right aren't denying the veracity of the story (except Winston), acknowledging they really believe Bush & co. would do something like this.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Nuclear power is good but the reactor in Iran is designed to maximize the production of plutonium not maximize the creation of electricity. The reactors designed to produce the maximium amount of electricity and the least amount of plutonium are actually much cheaper to build and maintain then the design the Iranians have built.Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
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That leads alot of people to believe the Iranians are more interested in nuclear bombs then civilian energy.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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