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  • DR SHAHRISTANI: It was clear to me and to everybody else at the meeting that
    he meant that he wanted the scientists at the Atomic Energy to devote all their time
    to develop a nuclear bomb for him. I chose at that time basically to remind him
    very innocently if you like, that Iraq had signed the non-proliferation treaty with the
    International Atomic Energy Agency, and then he just looked at me and he said Dr
    Hussain, you are a good scientist, mind your scientific work and leave politics to
    us, we know what to do.

    CORBIN: Dr Shahristani refused to participate in Saddam Hussein’s new venture.
    The President tried brutal persuasion.

    DR SHAHRISTANI: In the torture chambers they start by hanging a person till
    their arms are usually paralysed and then they give them electric shocks on their
    sensitive parts of their body, their private parts and so on. They will keep on at it,
    day in, day out, not allowing a person to sleep. That went on for 22 days in my
    case.

    CORBIN: For 11 years Saddam Hussein kept Dr Shahristani in prison. The
    dictator still needed a more compliant scientist to develop his bomb programme.
    Dr Jaffar Jaffa, a brilliant London University trained physicist was the man for the
    job. He too needed some persuading at first.

    Dr HUSSAIN AL- SHAHRISTANI
    Former Senior Scientific Advisor
    Atomic Energy Organisation of Iraq
    Dr Jaffa himself for example was the key figure, the single person that was really
    responsible for all the technology and development. I know that he has been
    brought to prison and they brought other people and tortured them to death in front
    of him. Till he cracked down and he just couldn't take it anymore and he said you
    know.. I’m not going to be a cause for all these people to be tortured like this till
    they die, and he decided to go back to work.


    Sounds pretty determined,to me.
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    • SO WHERE IS THE BOMB?
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      • DAVID KAY: You have to remember that we ultimately found over 24 large
        facilities that employed somewhere between 20 and 30 thousand Iraqis and cost 10
        billion dollars. The extent of that programme was not known.

        CORBIN: For 7 years Saddam Hussein and the UN inspectors played an elaborate
        game of cat and mouse. The inspectors chased and Iraqi officials tried to hide
        forbidden technology before they pounced.

        Dr DAVID KAY
        Chief Nuclear Weapons Inspector, 1991-92
        They managed to conceal physical facilities from some of the best technical
        intelligence in the world and they managed even while we carried out the
        inspections to learn how to conceal things to defeat ways we were actively using
        against us and in fact to carry their own programme on while we continued
        inspections.

        CORBIN: The difficulties were evident, when David Kaye arrived unexpectedly at
        (Faluja?). Forbidden to enter a secure industrial area he persuaded military guards
        to let him climb a watchtower to get a better view. The inspectors saw massive
        metal disks being driven hurriedly away, calutrons machines used to process
        nuclear material.

        UN INSPECTOR: ?? movement on this site at this point puts you in clear violation
        of the Security Council Resolution, the Commander is in serious violation of an
        agreement that your own government has signed.

        CORBIN: It was a lucky break for the UN inspectors but not for the unfortunate
        Iraqi guards. They paid the price for not protecting Saddam’s most valuable asset.

        KAY: We do know that several Iraqis that we came across, I’m thinking
        particularly at Faluja of the base commander who made the mistake of allowing me
        to place men on a water tower overseeing the facility while he waited for
        permission to let us in, and consequently we observed them moving around the
        calutrons. We know fairly certainly that he was executed the next week by a firing
        squad for his mistake.

        CORBIN: The calutrons were disabled and left in the desert where they could be
        monitored. The UN couldn't trust the Iraqis not to salvage material and start up
        their nuclear quest again. There was continual confrontation with the Iraqi
        officials. The Deputy Head of the UN Mission, Bob Galucci, recalls one of the
        occasions when he caught out an Iraqi official. Galucci revealed he had a list of
        nuclear equipment imported from abroad. Despite official denials that Iraq had any
        of it.
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        • Buried in the desert there, Ted. Along with the people who let Saddam down in his quest for one.
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          • KAY: They could be as close as right now if Saddam manages to obtain fissile
            material from example the former Soviet Union where corruption and insecurity
            unfortunately still reigns. If he in fact has to produce his own material himself the
            best guess is somewhere in the three to six year period but that’s a soft number. I
            don’t know exactly when that period began. It could have begun a year ago or two
            years ago even.


            btw, isn't this Kay fellow one of the heroes of your case, Aggie?
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            • Cool, I'm glad someone knows where it is!!!!!!!!!!

              So, do you have ANY physical evidence WHATSOEVER?
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              • CORBIN: But the real answer is we just don’t know. It is not necessarily
                imminent.

                KAY: It’s not necessarily imminent but it’s not necessarily far off. Just don’t
                know means just don’t know.
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                • "if"

                  "think"

                  "might"


                  Keep going.
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                  • RICHARD PERLE
                    Chairman, Defense Policy Board
                    Department of Defence
                    It’s a race against time, it’s a race against his crossing that threshold before you
                    have restrained him. So I don’t know what sort of evidence a mushroom cloud
                    would be a powerful statement but do you want to wait for that?
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                    • Sorry, but you can accuse anyone of intent.

                      You can even accuse Saddam of having small amounts of WMD (which he didn't).

                      None of this makes him a threat to even his weakest neighbour. Everyone knew that his army was ****ed, and that he was a shadow of the power that existed in 1990.

                      Bush knew this. Anyone who stopped to think knew this. Basically, anyone who thought that Saddam was any kind of real threat was a gigantic fathead.

                      No threat = no justification on that account.

                      The attempt to hold him to account for violations of UN resolutions is similarly vacuous. The UN did not authorize war, ergo you cannot appeal to it. Resolution 1441 mentions "serious consequences", but any lawyer could tear that to shreds inside a minute.

                      No authorisation = no justification.

                      We're left with one conclusion - the war was illegal and those responsible for it are war criminals.

                      Whether or not they will ever be brought to justice is one thing, but they are war criminals as surely as Saddam is.

                      There are absolutely no rational grounds for denying this. The law applies to them just as it does to everyone else, and they have been quick to appeal to it when it suited them.

                      Here's hoping they end up in jail and get gang raped.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • If this had been tried in a court of law it would get laughed out of the courtroom.

                        SPECULATION AND HERESAY AT BEST
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • No, anyone who thought that sanctions would go on forever, and that Saddam would be a good boy from then on is a... 'fat head'(?!)
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                          • Irrelevent
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                            • Originally posted by Ted Striker
                              If this had been tried in a court of law it would get laughed out of the courtroom.

                              SPECULATION AND HERESAY AT BEST
                              No Ted, real world politics, where the UN is a notch above the League of Nations in relevance, and slipping.
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                              • Your fantasy world, that is

                                There are general rules of international conduct, burden of proof, and moral responsibilty which have been understood for centuries and those have been violated.

                                Some people group those things together into something called COMMON SENSE
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