Gang Member To Be Tried As Terrorist

[Verto]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes, what is the gang's "political or social agenda"?

That's my point, the point.

To control cities/areas.

[Kuciwalker]

So when I play civ, it's terrorism?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Verto


To control cities/areas.

Please. That is a purely economic agenda as well. Do gangs enforce a political or social change? Do they force people to dress differently (I know gang colors, not the same) Do they tell people whom to vote for? Do they stop elections, hold elections?

Sorry, but this is bunk. People trying to fit things into the mold to abuse it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

People trying to fit things into the mold to abuse it.

Yep. Comparing a gang to Al Queda, or the Basques, or the PLO in terms of social and political change sought after is utterly silly.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by GePap


Please. That is a purely economic agenda as well. Do gangs enforce a political or social change? Do they force people to dress differently (I know gang colors, not the same) Do they tell people whom to vote for? Do they stop elections, hold elections?

Sorry, but this is bunk. People trying to fit things into the mold to abuse it.

Does body armor count?

ACK!

[Sava]

Gangs are not terrorists... anyone who thinks so is a moron.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Sava
Gangs are not terrorists... anyone who thinks so is a moron.

Tell that to people they terrorize.

ACK!

[Whaleboy]

I personally don't think that terrorism can apply here, terrorism to me is something specific, a violent act intended to create terror to a given end or cause.

What definition of terrorism would be used here?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Tuberski


Tell that to people they terrorize.

ACK!

Just about all crime "terrorizes"... that's not the point. Gepap pointed it out nicely... terrorism tries to advance a certain political agenda. And no one yet has countered or addressed Gepap's point.

So my statement stands, and yours fades into irrelevancy.

[Whaleboy]

Tell that to people they terrorize.

You can't use the victims opinion to decide the categorisation of crime, guilt or punishment. That's state-sponsored vigilantism, not justice, which is by definition balanced and objective to the interests of the victim and criminal.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I personally don't think that terrorism can apply here, terrorism to me is something specific, a violent act intended to create terror to a given end or cause.

What definition of terrorism would be used here?

A violent drive-by shooting intended to create terror to a given end or cause.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Tuberski


Tell that to people they terrorize.

ACK!

So you are saying, Criminal=terrorist?

Gang members join gangs to be part of something- criminal gangs exist to protect criminal enterprises- thats an economic, NOT socio-political agenda.

[GePap]

Originally posted by St Leo

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I personally don't think that terrorism can apply here, terrorism to me is something specific, a violent act intended to create terror to a given end or cause.

What definition of terrorism would be used here?

A violent drive-by shooting intended to create terror to a given end or cause.

Again, you are saying crime= terrorism?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


Please. That is a purely economic agenda as well. Do gangs enforce a political or social change? Do they force people to dress differently (I know gang colors, not the same) Do they tell people whom to vote for? Do they stop elections, hold elections?

Sorry, but this is bunk. People trying to fit things into the mold to abuse it.

If you fall under the control of a new state, which collects taxes from you, does it matter if youre still allowed to vote for the leaders of an old state, which has manifestly failed to protect you? And isnt the establishment of a new state a political act? Of course gangs dont generally stop you from ALSO paying taxes to the old state, so they dont meet modern criteria for a state.

Im not in disagreement with you gepap - i understand what you mean, im just not sure how you would draft a law that would encompass everything you want to ban, but couldnt be used against gangs (suppose an Islamist group DIDNT attack people who wore the wrong clothes, but those who failed to pay the charity required by Sharia? What if a gang killed those who didnt wear gang colors? etc - theres a real grey area here)

[Sprayber]

Excuse me sir, do you have some political justifcation for what you are doing to me or are you a thug after my money and a harsh street reputation?