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Originally posted by DanS
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus -
Reraise!
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - EpicurusComment
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The loss of life wasn't intentional in this disaster (not even by neglect), in the case of 911 it was. And as a rule of the thumb intentional killing is much more serious.
But we're digressing...DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Unless you happen to be the one killed. Then it kinda sucks either way.Originally posted by Colon
The loss life wasn't intentional (not even by neglect) in this disaster, in the case of 911 it was. And as a rule of the thumb intentional killing is much more serious."In the beginning was the Word. Then came the ******* word processor." -Dan Simmons, HyperionComment
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Ah, no. Intentional killing has different social implications than unintentional deaths-thats the difference. Since there is no one to attach blame or responsibility for a natural act, our reaction is different.Originally posted by Colon
The loss of life wasn't intentional in this disaster (not even by neglect), in the case of 911 it was. And as a rule of the thumb intentional killing is much more serious.
But we're digressing...If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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Yes, that's why we tend to consider intentional killing to be more serious. Due to the motives.Originally posted by GePap
Ah, no. Intentional killing has different social implications than unintentional deaths-thats the difference. Since there is no one to attach blame or responsibility for a natural act, our reaction is different.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Its yoiur teminology that is wrong- how can a death be "more serious"? Certainly intentional killing has more effect on society-given the social reprecussions- that does not make it more serious, or more important.Originally posted by Colon
Yes, that's why we tend to consider intentional killing to be more serious. Due to the motives.If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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The actual economic cost of Sept. 11th in terms of damages was about $70 billion (by comparison, the Kobe earthquake was over $100 billion).Originally posted by DanS
No, the loss of property and business from 9/11 dwarfs this tragedy. 9/11 cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
But it's a bit too early to tell the ultimate cost of the tsunamis. Right now, the initial insurance claims estimate alone from MunichRe is over $13 billion, and that will be just a fraction of the damage cost (I think the insurance claims for Sept. 11 were about $15 billion). It could also have a huge lingering effect on the already unsteady Asian economy.Tutto nel mondo è burlaComment
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And Boris PWNZ DanS.
Anyways, how long till we reach 100,000 dead?If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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I said: "we... consider... to be more serious"Originally posted by GePap
Its yoiur teminology that is wrong- how can a death be "more serious"? Certainly intentional killing has more effect on society-given the social reprecussions- that does not make it more serious, or more important.
I think few people hold a death caused by person falling down the stairs in the same regard as a death caused by a maniac randomly schooting people.
You said it yourself: social repercussions.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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This isn't even close to true. US business shut down for much of a week. There have been reductions in travel for several years since. Extra security costs are required going forward. Add it up and be amazed.The actual economic cost of Sept. 11th in terms of damages was about $70 billion (by comparison, the Kobe earthquake was over $100 billion).I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Thats the reaction of 9/11, not the attack itself.Originally posted by DanS
This isn't even close to true. US business shut down for much of a week. There have been reductions in travel for several years since. Extra security costs are required going forward. Add it up and be amazed.
You think there won't be massive cuts to travel to that region for years to come, as well as lowered economic growth?If you don't like reality, change it! me
"Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
"it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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We're already there, but it takes time to line them up and count them before you bulldoze them into mass graves (they actually do that on Sumatra).Originally posted by GePap
And Boris PWNZ DanS.
Anyways, how long till we reach 100,000 dead?So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!Comment
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lets see, there are individual country relief funds set up by India, Sri Lanka, etc that you could give directly to. There are various religious funds (Catholic Relief, and its Jewish, muslim, Orthodox and Protestant equivalents) Assuming youre not interested in a particular country, or working through a religious group, theres the International Red Cross, Unicef, and OxFam.Originally posted by Arrian
Wow. Just wow.
Anyone have a suggestions for the best relief organization to donate to?
-Arrian"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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