Eliminate Social Security - Dont 'Privitize it'

[Patroklos]

Old people die, thats what they do. If your heart fails at 75, that is the world telling you something and I feel no need to pay for people who are grasping for imortality. Now if they want to pay, fine.

[GePap]

Yes, people do die. We should really get rid of emergency rooms,. cause its a sign from God, if you got into a traffic accident, that he wants you dead. Enough of this silly "medical care"

In fact, all of medicine is nothing more than grasping for immortality. lets get rid of it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by GePap
In fact, all of medicine is nothing more than grasping for immortality. lets get rid of it.

Except for those who want to pay, of course.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
Yes, people do die. We should really get rid of emergency rooms,. cause its a sign from God, if you got into a traffic accident, that he wants you dead. Enough of this silly "medical care"

In fact, all of medicine is nothing more than grasping for immortality. lets get rid of it.

I'd rather money be spent on something like education, or healthcare for a young, otherwise healthy person, than on extending some 90-year-old's life six months.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I'd rather money be spent on something like education, or healthcare for a young, otherwise healthy person, than on extending some 90-year-old's life six months.

What if you were that 90 year old

It's so nice to know that you think young people are more deserving of help than older people... When you get older, I'm sure your view on things will change

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ming
What if you were that 90 year old

It's so nice to know that you think young people are more deserving of help than older people... When you get older, I'm sure your view on things will change

Education is an investment that gives a return. An emergency room that saves a young person's life has just prevented the loss of another taxpayer. Money spent extending the life of the 90-year-old goes into a black hole, never to be seen again.

[Ming]

Wait until you get older

[Kuciwalker]

Doesn't make anything I say more or less true. Money spent on things like education pays itself back.

[Agathon]

Insurance only works when there is a small chance that the insured will need a payout. With medicare, the chance is almost 100%.

No. Almost everyone will need some medical care, they just don't know how much. It is exactly the same as many other forms of insurance. For example, most people will have a car accident in their lifetimes, they don't know when or how costly it will be.

@ Kuci - that's a pretty disgusting attitude. Just because Ming is like 200 years old, doesn't mean his welfare doesn't matter.

[pchang]

Whether old or young, there are not enogh resources to provide everything that everyone wants. At some point, we will have to make a choice about priorities. I think that all groups must participate in this choice equally.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Doesn't make anything I say more or less true. Money spent on things like education pays itself back.

Not always... students could commit suicide, die of aids, or fraternity hazings... turn into drug addicts... join a gang and die at an early age in a drive by... or the person may just be stupid and end up working at Walmart for the rest of their lives... Which of these will describe you

A younger person's life is worth no more than an older persons life. If you truely think so, then you must be either a bigot or a Nazi

*gee... I get to use both the bigot and nazi defenses in the same line

[Kuciwalker]

It certainly matters less, by your values. Assuming everyone's welfare is equally value normally, then if increasing one person's welfare ALSO increases anothers' welfare, then that one person's welfare is more valuable.

[pchang]

Originally posted by Agathon
No. Almost everyone will need some medical care, they just don't know how much. It is exactly the same as many other forms of insurance. For example, most people will have a car accident in their lifetimes, they don't know when or how costly it will be.

The older you get, the more likely you will need a payout and the more likely that payout will be big. Same for car insurance. That is why insurance rates for old people are high and why we start restricting licenses for old people.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ming
A younger person's life is worth no more than an older persons life. If you truely think so, then you must be either a bigot or a Nazi

I'm inclined to agree with you, but in a lifeboat survival situation where you needed to get rid of one of them . . . it's still be a hard choice.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ming
Not always... students could commit suicide, die of aids, or fraternity hazings... turn into drug addicts... join a gang and die at an early age in a drive by... or the person may just be stupid and end up working at Walmart for the rest of their lives... Which of these will describe you

Or a young person can be a productive member of society - which you need to pay for the healthcare on your 90-year-old person. A 90-year-old won't end up providing such a return on investment. Once spent, the money doesn't come back.

A younger person's life is worth no more than an older persons life. If you truely think so, then you must be either a bigot or a Nazi

When a younger person's life, through continuing, ends up increasing the number of lives you can save, then yes, it IS more valuable.