com/cap/com debate - laboring under delusions

[Myrddin]

Yes, but how many widgets is a thingummybob worth?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Myrddin
Yes, but how many widgets is a thingummybob worth?

That's where you use labor value.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Arrian
I'm sorry you are sick, Kid. I hope you feel better.

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[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kidicious
That's where you use labor value.

Does it mean that one individual widget's value sinks when productivity rises?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Not the workers. They have to work. They capitalist can go out of business, and he does that if he can't find deals were he can buy low and sell high.

Did you read my argument at all?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Does it mean that one individual widget's value sinks when productivity rises?

You should have at least let them think of that.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Would you ever work for someone for what you considered less that what your work was worth so that you could make ends meet, if even just temporarily?

Worth to whom?

If it's less than it's worth to the employer, than yes, almost always, unless I get EXACTLY the maximum the employer is willing to pay.

If it's less than it's worth to me, obviously not, because I'd be better off not trading my work for the money than doing so!

If it's less than it's worth to a lot of people, but for some reason it's not possible to sell it to those people, then, well, yeah, though I'd try and find a better deal.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Did you read my argument at all?

I did. I didn't understand it fully because my head feels like it's going to pop right now.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I did. I didn't understand it fully because my head feels like it's going to pop right now.

Then take some tylenol

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
If it's less than it's worth to me, obviously not, because I'd be better off not trading my work for the money than doing so!

No you wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to pay your bills. How is that better?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Then take some tylenol

I did. It feels a little better. I'll look at it again.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kidicious
No you wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to pay your bills. How is that better?

If the money means life or death, then it would probably be worth more to me than the labor

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


If the money means life or death, then it would probably be worth more to me than the labor

And why should your conditions have anything to do with the (social) value of your labor?

[Kuciwalker]

Who's talking about the "social" value of my labor?

Let's look at my post again:

Worth to whom?

If it's less than it's worth to the employer, than yes, almost always, unless I get EXACTLY the maximum the employer is willing to pay.

If it's less than it's worth to me, obviously not, because I'd be better off not trading my work for the money than doing so!

If it's less than it's worth to a lot of people, but for some reason it's not possible to sell it to those people, then, well, yeah, though I'd try and find a better deal.

Value is relative. Frankly, I don't care how much people on average value my labor, except inasmuch as it influences how much I can get for it. The value of my labor to me is OBVIOUSLY based on my conditions.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Who's talking about the "social" value of my labor?

We are. You should be compensated for the social value of your labor. Should you not?