The US may run an agricultural trade deficit in 2005

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Smiley
There's no shortage of food in the world; the 3rd world problem is that farmers lack money to buy the other food types they need for a balanced diet.

And the primary reason they lack money is because rich countries tarrif them out of the market or else they subsidize rich country farms to such an extent that prices collapse.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Thanks Kid but I know about supply and demand but apparently you don't. Your problem is you keep thinking everything is a zero sum gain meaning that if someone wins then someone has to lose. The real world doesn't work that way. Yes, prices slowly uptick with exports but supply is very very very easy to add with agriculture. Any nit wit with a bit of land and some seed can increase supply.

If prices go up supply rapidly goes up because farming has a very low entry cost especially in the 3rd world.

No you don't Oerdin. I'm sorry but you don't. I won't be able to discuss economics with you if you don't respect my knowledge of it.

[Japher]

What about the other 87 and 74 percent. Where does that come from?

The other 49 states... We are just 2% of the country as far as statehood is concerned. 2% producing 13%? If that were the case for ag producing states we'd only need 7.7 states with any ag at all to equal current exported values. I can think of more than 7 states that have substantial Ag economies.

I only looked at CA exports

http://aic.ucdavis.edu/pub/exports.html

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
jesus christ kid, dont you ever get anything right in economics?

Kid, I am not the only one who agrees with this statement.

[Japher]

Here's 2003 overview, that includes all porduction, not just exports: ftp://www.nass.usda.gov/pub/nass/ca/...003cas-ovw.pdf

CA produces 27.8% of ag sales... Texas is in second at 15.3%...

[Arrian]

Followed by Iowa, Nebraska & Kansas.

Cali - Blue
Texas - Red
Iowa - Red(?), but close
Nebraska - Red
Kansas - Red

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Kid, I am not the only one who agrees with this statement.

It's up to you Oerdin. There are a lot of idiots here who can't understand the fundamentals of economics. You don't have to be one.

[Japher]

Cali - Blue - 55 electorial college votes
Texas - Red - 34
Iowa - Red(?), but close - 7
Nebraska - Red - 5
Kansas - Red - 6

I don't think we should dump on ag just to attack the right or the left. Both sides lose.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
jesus christ kid, dont you ever get anything right in economics?

Do you even have to ask? Of course he doesn't.

[Dinner]

I would never have guessed San Diego County was the 8th largest agricultural producer making $1.35 billion in sales.

[Dinner]

Wow, state wide the number of farms has almost halved since 1950 and the acres being farmed is down a third. That sounds like urbanization at work.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Whoha
more likely Bush's refusal to go to the mat on trade to end the various NTBs such as the GM crop ban and the beef bans.

You mean the US ban on Canadian beef?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The real world doesn't work that way. Yes, prices slowly uptick with exports but supply is very very very easy to add with agriculture. Any nit wit with a bit of land and some seed can increase supply.

If prices go up supply rapidly goes up because farming has a very low entry cost especially in the 3rd world.

In many countries it is difficult to get farmland, particularly in third world countries where land tends to be controlled by the elite.

The price farmers receive for their crops may not go up significantly. The middlemen often take most of the profit.

Also, there is a time lag for the price-supply of agricultural goods. So on a short term basis, an increase in price will not change supply.

In the long-run though, you're more right than wrong.

[Provost Harrison]

I'm very disappointed...no-one seemed to recognise my quote...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui




They already suck on the government's teat too much.