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  • #61
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    It's about time this country swung back left.
    To the left perhaps but not as far as you want to go.

    Anything that promotes more moderate choices would be OK in my book. I abhor the polarization that appears to be the trend.
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

    “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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    • #62
      The Democrat's are f*cked either way. If they move to the right the far left will defect to the Greens. If the party goes to the left the Republicans will pull the "Socialist [insert government program here" sh!t and will lose suburban America because of social issues.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Odin
        The Democrat's are f*cked either way. If they move to the right the far left will defect to the Greens.
        How does that hurt the Dems again?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #64


          Without the voices of the likes Ed Asner and Babs where would the Dems be?
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #65
            Originally posted by DinoDoc
            How does that hurt the Dems again?
            The left end of the party will go to the Greens.

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            • #66
              How does that (the far left leaving) hurt the Dems again?
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #67
                Democrats can and do win here. Even in statewide office. Usually by seperating themselves from the national party. I fail to see how Dean could help that. I only see him hurting the Dems here.
                This is the most important point. How can democrats make the national party something that is an asset to red state democrats rather than a huge hindrance?

                Hey, I've got an idea. Let's elect Pelosi to head the Dems in the House!
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by The Mad Monk


                  Gays are heading into the same boat African Americans are in -- blind allegiance to a single party. The result will be that both parties ignore you, because the one knows it's pointless to try to win you over, and the other knows you'll never leave.

                  Considering that there is a significant minority of gays who are Republicans, I have to disagree with your simplified perspective.
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    You're claiming Dukakis & Mondale were CENTRISTS!
                    Dukakis, yes. Mondale, no. Mondale, however, was grey and plastic, and so one can be forgiven for thinking he wsa centrist.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by The Mad Monk


                      Gays are heading into the same boat African Americans are in -- blind allegiance to a single party. The result will be that both parties ignore you, because the one knows it's pointless to try to win you over, and the other knows you'll never leave.
                      Uh, didn't like about 20% of the black vote go to Bush?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                        Gays are heading into the same boat African Americans are in -- blind allegiance to a single party.
                        That has less to do with the political proclivity of gays and more to do with the fact that the GOP is openly hostile to them. The Log Cabin Republicans have tried for years to make headway within the GOP, and have been snubbed time and time again.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


                          Uh, didn't like about 20% of the black vote go to Bush?
                          91% of Blacks that voted, voted for Kerry
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            How does that (the far left leaving) hurt the Dems again?
                            Because thirty to forty percent of their party is "far" left.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #74
                              Please che. Appealing to you and your ilk is and always has been a loosing election strategy, why should the Dems keep elements of thier party that cost them elections?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #75
                                Cuz without their support, they'd never win another election, unless the centrist wing of the GOP defected to the Dems.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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