Why do Americans have an irrational fear of international organizations?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Due to widespread Anti-Americanism

Which is mostly due to American bullyism...

there is good reason to think we might not be treated fairly in these organizations

No, not really. For some reason we've convinced ourselves that we won't be treated fairly in international organizations, but that fear has never come to fruition, yet we continue on.

[Jon Miller]

I don't see why I should give up any more of my sovereignty to international organizations

basically, I don't trust the people of the rest of the world to look out for my best interests

Jon Miller
(currently I am thinking that I don't trust the people of the US to either...)

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Typically, we have good reason to mistrust international organizations. Due to widespread Anti-Americanism, along with the desire of many to "bring the US down a peg" throughout the world, there is good reason to think we might not be treated fairly in these organizations

Yep, there's the paranoia Imran was talking about.

So why do you have it?

[Arrian]

Chicken and the Egg.

-Arrian

[Az]

Which is mostly due to American bullyism

Which is the way you like it, Imran.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Why do Americans have an irrational fear of international organizations?

It's not irrational. We don't want to give our sovereignty to others.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Just saying we aren't going to ratify it, like we did with Kyoto would have been ok and wouldn't have earned the ire of anyone.

If you're going to use rejecting Kyoto not earning the ire of anyone, I call BS.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Re: Re: Why do Americans have an irrational fear of international organizations?

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It's not irrational. We don't want to give our sovereignty to others.

Its not though. Did you read the OP? The ICC will only prosecute when the home country fails to investigate an offense... in which case the person is probably a war criminal anyways. Countries like the US have nothing to fear, the point of the ICC is to keep other more rogue countries in check.

[Jon Miller]

the point is that that is still losing sovereignty

it is taking something that has only been the responsibility of the US and theoretically allowing another power to be above it

Jon Miller

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you're going to use rejecting Kyoto not earning the ire of anyone, I call BS.

Well originally when we refused to ratify Kyoto it wasn't a big deal. It was when Bush 'unsigned' us from Kyoto that it became a big hubbub.

the point is that that is still losing sovereignty

Well then why do you back losing soveriegnty of your state to the federal government? What about losing soveriegnty of your county to the state? Or your town to the county? I don't trust the federal government or the state to look out for my best interest... so why should I give them more soveriegnty? Same argument, no?

[Az]

Maybe he does trust the state, and federal government?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Since he is a commie (well a socialist at least), I wonder why he would. Our federal government and states aren't really socialism friendly in their policies.

[Jon Miller]

well, they already hvae sovereignty

but feel free to fight to get it back

I don't want to fight the world to get it back

and let's face it, there are some things that we in the US think differently about than our western neighbors (same is true of african/asian/south american countries, but they are weaker than us, and less able to resist)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Since he is a commie (well a socialist at least), I wonder why he would. Our federal government and states aren't really socialism friendly in their policies.

did you see the point about not trusting the people of the US?

but as far as the US is concerned, it should follow the will of it'/s people

and if I am in the minority and don't like it

I should either try to convince others, or leave to another state where I trust the people

Jon Miller
(See sig)

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Do you not know anything about the ICRC? It's not the same as the humanitarian wing of the Red Cross...