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Ramo: How does the law you linked to define the term?
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I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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The Pentagon, for our Fair and Balanced Thread:
"WASHINGTON - A Pentagon (news - web sites) spokesman said Monday that Red Cross officials have "made their view known" that the indefinite detention of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amounts to torture.
Lawrence Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, said, "It's their point of view," but it is not shared by the Bush administration.
He noted that the administration believes it has the legal right to detain such suspects until the end of the war on terrorism because they are unlawful combatants not subject to the protections of the Geneva conventions.
The New York Times reported Monday that the International Committee of the Red Cross has accused the American military of using techniques "tantamount to torture" on prisoners at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo.
Red Cross inspectors who visited the site in June said interrogators used "humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, use of forced positions" to break the will of prisoners, according to the article on the Times Web site.
The Red Cross accusations came in a report to lawyers at the White House, Pentagon and State Department and to the commander of the Guantanamo facility, the Times said.
Di Rita said he could not comment on specific Red Cross reports because they are provided to the U.S. government on condition they be kept confidential.
He added that he was unaware of any Red Cross accusations that specific interrogation techniques or treatment of detainees amount to torture."Comment
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People who deliberatly blend themselves into freindly civilian populations though intentional lack of uniforms or identifying marks , gather intel covertly, commit acts of sabotage and assasination....
hmmmm... the only thing they are missing is a gin martini.
So besides spies, what exactly are they? Not that it maters, because under every convention they sure as hell are not civilians and not combatants.
I like "tantimount" as well, because what that means is they found nothing that can actually be considered torture by law, just stuff that that think should be torture.
I don't blame the red cross, they are doctors dedicated to helping all human life. However, they are definetly devoid of all other considerations and are NOT impartial observers. Of course Gitmo isn't healthy for its inhabitants, it isn't supposed to be. We have nothing here but yet another group of bleeding hearts with blinders on for their one issue."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Vodka Martini, damnit!
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This reminds me. I need to check on my shop.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Originally posted by Patroklos
People who deliberatly blend themselves into freindly civilian populations though intentional lack of uniforms or identifying marks , gather intel covertly, commit acts of sabotage and assasination....
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Being in the wrong place at the worng time when an Afghan warlord wants to collect a free $500...
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Priceless...Originally posted by St Leo
Being in the wrong place at the worng time when an Afghan warlord wants to collect a free $500..."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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Ramo: How does the law you linked to define the term?
As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture†means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering†means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;
Sure seems to fit."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Lawrence Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
You're quoting the Pentagon spokesman, why?
People who deliberatly blend themselves into freindly civilian populations though intentional lack of uniforms or identifying marks , gather intel covertly, commit acts of sabotage and assasination....
Which was all proven in a court of law, of course.
And are you saying that Ashcroft let hundreds of terrorist spies loose (the various people released from Gitmo)?
I like "tantimount" as well, because what that means is they found nothing that can actually be considered torture by law, just stuff that that think should be torture.
Except what they described is torture, according to the law."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Except of course they said "taintimount" to torture, not torture. It they saw actual torture, they would have said so.Except what they described is torture, according to the law.
Jesus man, do you want to at least stand behind your own frickin article?"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Jesus man, can't you read the frickin article (it's not "mine" in any way, BTW) before ranting about it?
The construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is the production of intelligence, cannot be considered other than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by Ramo
Lawrence Di Rita, spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld
You're quoting the Pentagon spokesman, why?Originally posted by Whoha
The Pentagon, for our Fair and Balanced Thread:
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The Red Cross accusations came in a report to lawyers at the White House, Pentagon and State Department and to the commander of the Guantanamo facility, the Times said.Comment
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Yes, I know that. What I was asking was why you're giving any credence to Rumsfeld's mouthpiece."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by Whoha
The Pentagon, for our Fair and Balanced Thread:Comment
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