Yushchenko Poisoned?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Well well. So which wonderful ex-soviet did this to the man?

Serb, any thoughts on this one?

Himself.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Come on, you know he'll just dismiss it as a lie and that the doctors are in cahoots with--or worse, being controlled by--the Western Boogeymen who are out to conquer the Ukraine.

You aren't hopeless.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zevico
Ah, the rampant speculation of the boards. Serb one way, everyone else the other. It's like a tug of war: the giant versus the masses.

I realize I'm on hostile ground here, so don't worry. It was my choice.

But poisoning does seem a bit questionable...why would they poison him in a non-fatal manner? As a warning? It is a mixed blessing in terms of support, after all many people would be sympathetic towards him if he was poisoned, despite his lack of "pretty-boyishness".

The only answer is that there was no poisoning. The only person who benefited from this poisoning is Yushenko himself (I don't mean his face, I mean his rating).

[Serb]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Or because they're incompetent, or the dosage wasn't enough?

Then they are surelly not from secret services.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Could this not have been just as easily done by a Ukranian thug instead of a Russian thug? Ukraine is fairly industrial. I'm sure they have some dioxan of their own kicking around somewhere. In fact I'm willing to bet that they were hopeing that this would be passed off as pollution poisoning just in case someone had exumed him sometime after a successful poisoning.

And what kind of concentration needed to actually kill somebody? I bet it should be pretty big quantiny and there is no any guaranty of death. Why bothering with that crap? Why not to use any of hundreds of known poisons that are 100% lethal and require only a small dosage to kill the victum?

[Dr Strangelove]

As I said, a death from dioxan could be blamed on pollution. I beleive that the lethal dose is known. Maybe he didn't drink all of his soup.

[Combat Ingrid]

Dioxin is pretty toxic if you get the pure substance. A very small dose should do the trick.

I guess the doctors knew it was dioxin before they took the new samples from Yushchenko, they just needed to confirm it.

[Combat Ingrid]

Some toxicity data for dioxin can be found here .

I'm not sure if it works for dioxin, but for many other toxic substances, the timing of the poisoning events can be determined by cutting short sections of the hair and measuring the concentrations of the substance in the hair.
That way, one can also determine whether there was a single dose or several doses spread out over a period of time.
This will obviously only work if the substance is deposited in the hair and stays there.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
As I said, a death from dioxan could be blamed on pollution. I beleive that the lethal dose is known. Maybe he didn't drink all of his soup.

Just what kind of death? A death from a cancer?
Why bothering with that?

edited: I mean a death from pollution should be a slow death, while victim still could be active somehow, at least will be able to blame suspected murders. Why bothering whith that?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
Some toxicity data for dioxin can be found here .

I'm not sure if it works for dioxin, but for many other toxic substances, the timing of the poisoning events can be determined by cutting short sections of the hair and measuring the concentrations of the substance in the hair.
That way, one can also determine whether there was a single dose or several doses spread out over a period of time.
This will obviously only work if the substance is deposited in the hair and stays there.

So, isn't it suspicious that untill now, Dr. Zimpfer twice said they've found nothing strange in samples of Yushenko's blood, urine and HAIR, but he says that they've found dioxine now?

[Combat Ingrid]

Not really. They probably didn't look for dioxin at first (and therefore didn't find anything special). Once they started to look for it, it was there in very high doses. Now they probably just took some new samples to confirm it once and for all.

[Boris Godunov]

Dioxin wasn't detected in his blood because the Vienna clinic didn't have the capability of detecting it. Dioxin does not show up in normal blood tests.

His blood was sent to Amsterdam, where a new procedure had recently been developed that could detect the dioxin.

[Serb]

Amsterdam?
Thanks, now I get it. I guess I know what kind of docs made this diagnosis.

- Wow!!! We have some kind of black sh!t here!
- Coool. Can we smoke it?
- Sure, why not?
- Cough...cough...cough... damn, what kind kind of suff is that? It's pretty toxic if you ask me.
- Yeah...it's like f*cking dyo..diyo..dioksin...wow!!! I think I can fly!!!
- Have you seen this pink elefant over there?...cough...cough...
- Nope, only green camels...
- Too bad, it was dancing...cough...cough
- Look! They are coming back!

[Boris Godunov]

That would almost have been funny if didn't positively reek of desperation.

[Combat Ingrid]