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  • #46
    I think it might be alcohol and stress that's causing the problem. But really, he might have some really nasty dermatology problem that was brought on by the campaigning. Damn, how the hell does that happen so quickly though...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
      Can we stop with the Red states Blue states stupidity......please.


      Why? I still get a kick out of it...
      Then you are easily amused.

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      • #48
        Yes, I am. Makes life pleasant.
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        • #49
          no no alcohol can do that to you for sure, but not in that short amount of time! At least Yeltsin really worked on it for quite a while. This guy might be a heavy drinker but you just don't skip the million phases straight into the 'NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD' mode.
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          • #50
            @ Immortal Wombat

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Serb

              No, it looks like you pulled some... "facts" ou of your...well... "storage".
              Your lack of humour is almost as entertaining as your lack of reading comprehension.
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                He was poisoned, probably by those associated with your leadership.
                Why would they poison him just to make him look bad instead of dead? As for martyrdom, I presume that, if there's any shadowy organisation behind this, it would be intelligent enough to remove him early enough in advance.

                Of course, once you get here, you cannot exclude the possibility of CIA's handiwork. If Yushchenko dies about now, it would be truly helpful to the opposition.
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                • #53
                  Poison isn't always effective, you know. The disfigurement could just be the result of an unsuccessful poisoning attempt...
                  Last edited by Drake Tungsten; November 28, 2004, 12:47.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                    Poison isn't always effective, you know. The disfigurment could just be the result of a unsuccessful poisoning attempt...
                    I guess that's always a possibility.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                      Poison isn't always effective, you know. The disfigurement could just be the result of an unsuccessful poisoning attempt...
                      Since he's still alive, that stands to reason.....

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                      • #56
                        When people say "poison", I'm not sure they literally mean something like arsenic, etc. They mean someone gave him something that caused that look.

                        His Austrian doctors speculate it may have been some biological agent.
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                        • #57
                          The only disease I can think of that looks like that is leprosy. It may be necessary to quarentine him for quite a while.
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                          • #58
                            smoke this cigar....


                            yeah. Well, I think it's way more effective now that he still is alive, if he was poisoned. That's like the ultimate power thing. 'Look what we can do to you'. People disappear all the time and get killed. That's just monday business. This is, however, nasty.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                              The only disease I can think of that looks like that is leprosy. It may be necessary to quarentine him for quite a while.
                              I didn't think leprosy is contagious, except for long term exposure.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                                When people say "poison", I'm not sure they literally mean something like arsenic, etc. They mean someone gave him something that caused that look.

                                His Austrian doctors speculate it may have been some biological agent.
                                BS. They said exactly the opposite, they said that no traces of sa-called bio-terrorism were found.

                                My post from another thread:

                                At Sept 5 2004, Yushenko felt sick. Preliminary diagnosis of Ukranian doctors was- intestinal flu. At Sept 10 he was moved to Austrian hospital "Rudolfinerhaus". After examination Austrian doctors made diagnosis- acute pancreatitis. However supporters of Yushenko started to shout out loud that he was poisoned. Another complete examination was carried out. Austrian medics find nothing suspicious. "We didn't find any poisons or any traces of so-called bio-terrorism"- said Michal Cimpfer, the cheif of Austrian hospital Rudolfinerhaus.
                                Despite this, the Office of Public Presecutor of Ukranie initiated the case about attempt of murder. Special commision of Ukranian parliament started its own independent investigation. After investigation its verdict was- "the deputy wasn't poisoned".
                                12 experts said that his sickness was caused by herpetic infection. Expert dermatologists made assumption that changes on Yushenko's face were caused by combination of herpetic infection and acnes. The president of commision Vladimir Sivkovich- "this sickness called rosacea. Rosacea and herpetic infection laid down on the same parts of face and caused such changes".
                                Rosacea or acne rosacea more frequently happens at middle age and affects only face. Skin becomes red, covered by hypostases, ulcers and nodules.
                                Herpes, despite almost every human being infected by this virus, could be very dangerous. This virus activates when human being is weakened, his imunnity lowered and when he experiences strong stress. There are several types of herpes and the most dangerous of them could change the face significantly. 'Herpes zoster' can make face even worse than Yushenko's face.
                                So combination of these decises (probably as unfortunate effect of plastic surgery) caused such changes, not poisoning.
                                So, let's summarize:
                                Best Ukranian medics, well-respected Austrian medics, experts of the Office of Public presecutor of Ukrine, experts of special commision of Ukranian parliament did their best to find poisons, traces of poisons or traces of bio-terrorism in Yushenko's organism, but FIND NOTHING.
                                Now a British doctor, who NEVER seen Yushenko and NEVER examinated him, look at his picture and make diagnosis- dioxin poisoning.
                                Great, just great!!!
                                He is f*cking genius this doctor.
                                Who need all those expensive and boring analysis, blood probes, examiantion and other stuff, when you have a picture and can make a BS statement everyone will buy?

                                As for dioxin, as Dr. Marcello Lotti from Univercity of Padua (sp?) said- "I would be very surpirsed if somebody tell me that dioxines were used as poison. Dioxine isn't highly toxic and to cause acnes on face, victim should take very big amount of "poisoned food"- kilograms of poisoned food within several days. Besides, it's at least tactless to make diagnosis using a photo only, especially toxical diagnosis, which reqires a lot of laboratory analysis".


                                Hello, are you there? Still think that he was poisoned?

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